lol lets fuck all other computational sciences so that people can generate cats drinking whiskey in robes de chambre.
It’s not even going to run chrome my guys
Dell and Lenovo price gouge consumers
FTFY
Apples going to come out with a 4gb phone and somehow still pitch it as a glorious innovation.
Shit, looks like the crazy stock bubble is starting to dwarf and eat into the consumer market instead of just bursting…
Infect everything. Claim you need bailouts because everything has AI in it.
All web browsers are nearly unusable with 4gb of RAM lately. Even with desktop Linux I usually have nearly my full 8gb used. With 8gb AND Windows it’s only a matter of time before these computers become unusable…
zswap and zram
becoming highly critical software againtrying to shove your fat 16Gb allocated application into 8Gb of RAM with room to spare:
I bought a 64gb desktop in late 2024, in addition to many other expensive features. They can kiss my ass.
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Lol, forget a browser, is that even enough to run Windows 11 well?
(In before jokes about windows 11 ever running “well”)
Do it. I know which OS will run fine on 8G of RAM and which one won’t.
I wouldn’t be happy with 8 GB of RAM regardless of OS.
Same, I am often about 8 GB of RAM with my daily usage.
Debian keeps barfing on me with 16.
Heh, I have 64 and still can run out. Teams and Outlook for work, one or two java projects in IntelliJ, rust project in Neovim… try to build and run tests with maven and I’m at 70-80% easily. Couple more tabs like discord and I’m out of memory.
I feel that. My new workstation will have 128 GB, I’m very excited about it
What sort of apps are you running?
Mostly Firefox with an admittedly ridiculous number of tabs.
Those are load bearing tabs…
Get yourself the ‘auto discard tabs’ extension.
Tbf Firefox seems to have started using much more memory a year or so ago: I could easily hit over 200 tabs, now fifty are a problem. Though it could just be me having switched to the developer edition.
I think my last count hit north of 500 tabs…
I… I may have a bit of a problem…
That’s like an order of magnitude more than me. There’s gotta be something else going on with my system.
Nor would I, but if apps were actually optimized instead of the Electron nonsense we have now we’d be in a better place. I really hope this forces us to finally build better again instead of relying on infinite resources.
Someone’s smelling the year of the desktop
I built a gaming PC last year with 32gb, and it’s time to upgrade my MacBook…
So, logically, I just moved my workflow to my desktop. I would say dual boot for the win… but honestly most of my games run great on Linux, so I think I’m just good there until and unless this blows over.
When I dual booted it was to try and get away from the win.
Minix and FreeBSD…
/runs; hides
They don’t care, my parents laptop was decently mid-range spec bar storage, manufacturer put in a 5400RPM spinning rust drive. It was damn near unusable, crap from the factory.
Was forced to use it once when visiting and noticed the performance, put an SSD in it and it’s been a fine laptop since. They’re perfectly willing to hobble a laptop to save a buck.
I run fedora on 8GB and find it functional but definitely not comfortable. Anything past a dozen tabs and it starts getting choked up.
Linux adoption… accelerates
No OS if fine with 8GB if you use it for anything other than browsing memes
There’s more than that ?
Actually, the web browser is one of the major offenders when it comes to consuming large amounts of RAM.
In a single tab
You’re thinking of CP/M, right?
Can CP/M address >= 2^32 bytes?
https://obsolescence.wixsite.com/obsolescence/cpm-internals
CP/M requires a minimum of 20K RAM, although realistically, 48K is the bare minimum. Most systems have the maximum 64K.
Sounds like it can’t address > 2¹⁶ bytes.
CP/M-86, maybe.
Hah, guess they’re gonna have to run Linux. Windows 11 would choke on 8 GB RAM.
lmaooooo
It’s the year of the Linux desktop!
I agree, funny enough they require minimum 4 GB, but I had problems with it with 16 GB. 8 GB is nowhere near enough, especially if you use excel, teams, and that crap.
an 8gb pc with win11 is today’s equivalent of running vista on 1gb.
I have to use windows at work, have 32gb and regularly get browser tabs unloaded for low memory. I’m not running VMs or anything. Usually just Firefox, visual studio, and slack.
Personal computer is Linux with 16gb and that’s more than enough.
I have 64gb 32 for vm and 32 for host, security software eats it all. I pity the poor bastards on the 8gb work laptops. My project is funded separately from all the others so we got to order our own laptops. Our previous laptops sucked at 32gb total.
Same here. Modern 32 gb machine from work is a slog. 2 minutes from wake to actually working, can be 10 seconds just to use the start menu sometimes. Older thinkpad with 16gb and linux/cosmic desktop - wakes almost instantly and perfectly snappy for most things.
Most bloated apps like outlook and teams etc regularly use nearly a gig of ram each in my experience. Brutal.
I have single browser tabs that regularly suck down a whole gig. (And they still have input lag).
Ya that depends on the content too and what bullshit they load on the background. In this context, these days I look at tabs as apps lol
So RAM costs them more now, and they need to pass those costs onto customers. However, it seems like they’re also trying to redefine what “mid-range” means to us all, as if we aren’t fully aware of what computers are capable of and what amount of memory is good vs not. Making the various ranges cost more is intuitive. Enshitifying the ranges to sell them at the same price is just antithetical to the whole concept of the ranges…
It’s like if batteries got stupid expensive and they tried to tell us 200km of range is what you get in a touring EV these days. But the distances between all the places haven’t changed…
Can see that happening, in this fake economy.
Isn’t the issue here the newest generation? I keep reading they’re way less tech savvy than the rest of us. Blended in with the propensity for young people to have an iPhone or Android and no PC, well, this junk will likely slide right by.
So our generation will be the first to have to teach both our boomer parents AND our millennial offspring what “RAM” is?!
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻)
GenX is mostly forgotten until tech support is needed, either direction, yes.
Millennials are fine, lol, and overlap with genx, this relates to the teens and early 20s age group.
We had two generations of competent people. It’s a idiot sandwich but the bread is the stupid part!
Maybe this will be a boon. The entire reason the ram requirements got so high as it is is because software optimization was put on the back burner. Maybe a ram shortage where people can’t obtain the ram needed will force the big name software devs to start being more frugal with ram. (talking to you chrome… whom currently is using 2 gigs alone just trying to show a twitch stream…)
that would require the software companies to actually spend money on competent developers instead of tossing peanuts at prompt writers.
Or more realistically be used as an excuse for always online cloud based services a la office 365. “We would let you download the app, but most users don’t have the computing power so instead we’ll just make this a helpful subscription!”
Idk, trying to load up a couple spreadsheets in Edge is going to consume 8gb of Ram in no time.
“Oh don’t worry, you won’t have to actually load spreadsheets anymore, just give our AI full access to your files and it will do whatever you ask :)”
Ideally, you’re correct though and companies start investing in optimization. I don’t see it going that way, but a girl can dream.
Oh fucking hell…
That would still pressure the browser teams to work on memory optimizations.
Honestly, it’ll be more efficient to have memory in a datacenter in that hardware in a datacenter will see higher average capacity utilization, but it’s gonna drive up datacenter prices too.
Not sure I agree. Centralizing storage, and especially memory, creates incredible round trip costs.
I mean, efficient in terms of memory utilization, like. Obviously there are gonna be associated costs and drawbacks with having remote compute.
Just that if the world has only N GB of RAM, you can probably get more out of it on some system running a bunch of containers, where any inactive memory gets used by some other container.
As a dirty commie, I agree, but unfortunately under capitalism it is just an avenue for exploitation. Large companies are deciding what we can or cannot have access to and setting the price for it in a manner completely divorced from what they’re offering.
But imagine the latency and network bandwidth issues, there’s a reason most companies moved away from the huge central framework model to distributed computing
At least one studio, Larian, has confirmed this is the case for them.
When discussing the pressures the company faces when releasing a game in early access, such as audience expectations, Vincke told us, “Interestingly, another [issue Larian is facing] is really the price of RAM and the price of SSDs and f**k, man. It’s like, literally, we’ve never had it like this.”
He continued, “It kind of ruins all of your projections that you had about it because normally, you know the curves, and you can protect the hardware. It’s gonna be an interesting one. It means that most likely, we already need to do a lot of optimization work in early access that we didn’t necessarily want to do at that point in time. So it’s challenging, but it’s video games.”
Good fuck studios just throwing optimization into the bin cause they can. They should fucking actually do some problem solving instead of brute forcing everything.
How do you take that from the comment above?
Not the person you’re responding to, but “most likely, we already need to do a lot of optimization work in early access that we didn’t necessarily want to do at that point” indicates to me that optimization was not a top priority. It’s not unusual for people to optimize after a proof of concept or something, but I imagine in gaming (I don’t do game dev admittedly) you don’t want that too late in the process. If they’re not planning on having it in early access, then their early consistent user base will be more worried about other things. If min spec is 8 then people with 4 won’t get it or won’t complain about poor performance because technically it’s their machine that’s the issue. Lack of complaints about that and feedback about other things further shifts the priority away from optimization. Plus, anyone who’s worked in dev spaces or probably any kind of deliverable knows that there are things that just don’t happen despite your best intentions. Things like optimization are the first to go in the dev space, so by openly admitting to putting it off, it does feel like an admission of “we were probably just not going to get around to it”. In my experience, the further out you plan to optimize, the more man hours you end up wasting, so I don’t see a company investing heavily in that at any point, but doing so post early launch seems wasteful if they legitimately cared about it.
Tried that yesterday, 2.6 GB for just that one tab playing a twitch stream. That’s honestly impressive.
Keeping it positive, nice.
In the world of AI vibe coding, I don’t think so, they will push people even more towards web apps I think
Large computing will exist solely in the cloud where you will pay a subscription for it. Can’t have these grubbing consumers buy anything we elites don’t get a monthly cut of.
I wish this was sarcasm.
I am honestly not sure if that’s a bad thing aside from the capitalism of it all. Almost all tasks normal people do could be done with a 10 year old computer running Linux.
I will find it hilarious if this RAM pricing issue causes people to move to Linux rather than have slow ass Windows 11.
I’m positive its a bad thing. It will mean the end of ownership. Our children will be born and their only worth with be as consumers for which they can crushed for any reason the owners see fit. Its slavery and feudalism nothing more nothing less.
Vasectomy
Sounds like a really good decision for you.
