• IninewCrow@lemmy.ca
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    There is a prequel to this and the words Israel and Hamas are exchanged.

    I'm no supporter of either and I don't believe that killing civilians on either side will answer questions, it will only make matters worse.

    As Gandhi put it … "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth … leaves a world full of blind, toothless people"

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      As professor Farnsworth once said, "Now, now, perfectly symmetrical violence never solved anything"

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      Gandhi was a total piece of shit pretending to be one of the good guys. Which I guess is pretty relevant to this conflict.

      Also that quote is from Exodus.

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      Gandhi on Zionism:

      My sympathies are all with the Jews.

      But my sympathy does not blind me to the requirements of justice.

      Palestine belongs to the Arabs in the same sense that England belongs to the English or France to the French. It is wrong and inhuman to impose the Jews on the Arabs. What is going on in Palestine today cannot be justified by any moral code of conduct. The mandates have no sanction but that of the last war. Surely it would be a crime against humanity to reduce the proud Arabs so that Palestine can be restored to the Jews partly or wholly as their national home.

      Edit: This was 1938, btw. 10 years before the Nakba.

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      The post doesn't mention Hamas, it's talking about the previous killings of people in gaza. Not everyone in Gaza is in support of Hamas

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        Let's dig a very wide canal connecting the Dead Sea, Red Sea & Sea of Galilee to the Mediterranean… Maybe about 250 miles wide would do it

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      Ghandi abused his wife regularly and ended up killing her by way of refusing to let her go to a doctor. I'll not be accepting any of his quotes, thanks.

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    Treat people like animals for decades, it's no surprise how they act. Israel is at fault for both sides deaths.

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      No. Humans are more than their base instincts. Hamas should not have murdered civilians. Israel should not be abusing Gazans. Both are true at the same time.

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        "It is hard to remember that people can be both victim and perpetrator at the same time."

        We try often try to assign one group as the good guys and the other as the bad guys. It doesn't work like that.

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          God especially on the internet, can't have any nuance about "well you're right, but that doesn't mean personal responsibility just ceases to exist" it's just "You're as extreme as me or you're on the other side"

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          It does however represent the group that killed 1000+ people, mostly civilians, with no clear goal beyond their stated desire for Jewish extinction and radical islamic Sharia law to be spread as far as possible.

          Palestine in general being a victim doesn't automatically make Hamas the good guys or their specific actions acceptable.

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            That doesn't mean you get to glass Palestine. If people really cared about dead babies and a death toll then they would be against Israel doing this.

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      Get yourself a lesson in History and don't just repeat the old antisemitic bullshit story.

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        The human cost of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict (deaths/injuries) documented by the UN:

        2008:
        Palestine 🇵🇸 : 3,202
        Israel 🇮🇱 : 853

        2009:
        Palestine 🇵🇸 : 7,460
        Israel 🇮🇱 : 123

        2010:
        Palestine 🇵🇸 : 1,659
        Israel 🇮🇱 : 185

        2011:
        Palestine 🇵🇸 : 2,260
        Israel 🇮🇱 : 136

        2012:
        Palestine 🇵🇸 : 4,936
        Israel 🇮🇱 : 578

        2013:
        Palestine 🇵🇸 : 4,031
        Israel 🇮🇱 : 157

        2014 :
        Palestine 🇵🇸 : 19,860
        Israel 🇮🇱 : 2,796

        2015 :
        Palestine 🇵🇸 : 14,813
        Israel 🇮🇱 : 339

        2016:
        Palestine 🇵🇸 : 3,572
        Israel 🇮🇱 : 222

        2017:
        Palestine 🇵🇸 : 8,526
        Israel 🇮🇱 : 174

        2018:
        Palestine 🇵🇸 : 31,558
        Israel 🇮🇱 : 130

        2019:
        Palestine 🇵🇸 : 15,628
        Israel 🇮🇱 : 133

        2020:
        Palestine 🇵🇸 : 2,781
        Israel 🇮🇱 : 61

        Source: Géopolia

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          Are these numbers civilian or combatant's deaths/injuries? What was the background? Who attacked, who defended itself?

          You know, numbers without context are nothing more than numbers.

          As I said already, get some lessons in History.

          KTHXBYE

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        Criticizing Israel is not anti-semitism. I missed the part in the Torah that says "start an apartheid ethnostate and brutalize your neighbors".

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    I personally don't like this "one site bad" thing(in this conflict at least). Of course, in terms of killed persons Israel is the bad guy, but also the things the Hamas did are pretty fucked up. I personally came to the conclusion that both sides are bad, Israel is allowed to defense itself against this brutality but shouldn't take the opportunity to absolutely fuck Palestine again(what it sadly does). I'm not for Israel or Palestine. I'm for the civilists and human rights.

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    • Leave home
    • Go Palestine
    • "Balfour declaration bitches"
    • Kick people out of their homes
    • People mad
    • "Oh no help meeereee"

    Israel isn'treal.

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    And you really think palestinians have no hand in any of that? Jews were persecuted and exiled from all over the world, left their home after it became too hostile for a better future. Palestinians chose to stay in an explosive situation, waging wars and losing them. When your neighbour is stronger and doesn’t want you - leave. Every nation in the world knows this except for the palestinians.

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      • Leave home
      • Go Palestine
      • “Balfour declaration bitches”
      • Kick people out of their homes
      • People mad
      • “Oh no help meeereee”

      There is no moral ground for Israel at all. Learn history.

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        no moral ground for Israel

        The UN vote of 1948 would like to have a word with you, random internet person who clearly knows better than them.

        And again, it’s one thing being mad and starting a war about it. It’s another thing not starting a country of your own because of it and staying refugees 70 years later, promising to only better your own life ones your enemy is dead. The palestinian mentality is just plain stupid.

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          And who gave the UN the right to decide? The Palestinian land was usurped by the post WW2 world order and given to the Zionists.

          I think you agree had the Ottoman caliphate not collapsed and lost power the result would’ve been different.

          So what happened is taking advantage of a vacuum in power to gain a long term foothold in the heart of the Muslim civilization. The Jewish exodus just happened to be the best way to do it.

          This had been planned since the late 1800s.

          And the dying caliphate signaled the Zionist conspirators to pounce.

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            heart of the Muslim civilization

            Dude what? Did they move Mecca to Jerusalem while I wasn’t looking?

            And if we’re talking pre 48 era, we’re gonna be here all day, since in that era neither Israel nor Palestinians had any proper leadership and most of the actions were performed by nationals on both sides. Yeah Zionism played a heavy part in creating that conflict, but it also did basically nothing wrong on its own. All zionism is is jewish migration towards Israel (holiest land for jews). And they didn’t plan on fighting for it, they bought lands legally, started their own communities and lived peacefully up until the ottommens and then later the british stopped them from migrating out of fear of arab muslim resistance to jews coming (again, not kicking anyone out). Only facing resistance did jews start to fight, and they fought hard. Just proves how holy and important that land was for jews. So don’t start displaying the natives of that time as completely innocent. Imaging today France started blocking immigration because the migrating population isn’t french enough for them.

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    I'm not going to sit on a platform that has this low bar for dumb "memes" and world views with that high upvote number.