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Right? Firefox has been excellent for some time now, and Google has actively betrayed user's trust for at least as long. It's easy to switch and Firefox almost always has equivalent plugins and other solutions. There's very little reason not to switch.
Mobile ad blocking without any root/jailbreak/proxy/dns was all I needed to finally push me over the edge.
No not edge, firefox!
This is not a chrome vs firefox issue. People using an adblocker on firefox are getting blocked just the same.
See:
source (sorry for the reddit link)
Most often this happens because the user runs some other addon/blocker that interferes with ublock (or gets detected). It's important to test with only ublock active and see if the problem persists, and if not, to slowly enable more and more to see what is causing the issues.
For me there was about a day where google was winning against ublock even if I was onoy using Ublock. Now though Ublock is back to winning, and I only occasionally have to refresh my cache
Yup, for me it was enhancer for Youtube's ad blocker that was interfering. Didn't see the popup since turning it off.
I freshly installed win10 Firefox+uBlock and got this message after a while (was around 2weeks ago) first I could x the message, then the message had a timer, then 1-3 vids until block and then blocked.
That was at my parents house, now I’m back in my home with different pc win11 (same fresh FireFox+uBlock) and now I don’t get these messages anymore.
That probably was the "not up-to-date filter lists" problem, or the rare "filter lists themselves not updated yet", but they are within a few hours usually.
I’m not on YouTube’s side. But, ultimately Youtube has the advantage here. You guys are talking about technical solutions to get YouTube to continue sending you videos. But, YouTube has the nuclear option in their back pocket. Enshitification, YouTube is one of the only platforms that still works well on the internet without an app or logging in. If they want to badly enough they’ll stop allowing people to use YouTube signed out and ban accounts that watch with Adblock enabled.
We need to work on building platforms that work outside of Google. I think the hardest question is how would that work with monetization for new/smaller creators.
Odysee is the alternative, the plus, you can download almost every content, but the downside that are uploaded almost every content, no censored. Based on blockchain, that means that it works for the eternity and none of the content can be deleted, which also has + and -, because of a lot o cuestionable content, well, in YT is the same problem.
Only had ublock active, still happens. For now it still goes away on refresh or if I switch adblockers (so I'm assuming cleaning out the cache daily will work too).
I use Firefox and also got that pop-up. Eventually I just grew tired of clicking the "X" button so I went on uBlock origin and added that stupid banner and the banner background to the blacklist.
It's like nothing ever happened. And if shit continues to get worse, either someone comes up with a fix somehow, or I'll just find a way to run ReVanced YouTube apk on my pc or something. I don't care if I have to emulate it somehow.
Also, on mobile GrayJay is a good alternative to ReVanced. Made by LouisRossmann's team apparently.
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I haven't seen it yet either, not on firefox nor on chrome. From what I hear it's being rolled out gradually, so if you didn't get a notice yet, it doesn't mean that you won't get one in the future.
Youtube have been increasing their anti-adblock efforts dramatically in the last few weeks, changing the scripts multiple times a day. The ublock origin team is very quick in updating the filters though. They have a post on their subreddit with some details.
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I swear half the users here are running NixOS these days (with the other half on Arch). Redditors like Linux, but Lemmings take it to an whole new level.
You have no idea? You know exactly why people download/buy the most popular thing at any time and you also know most people don't change anything unless it's broken.
"Broken" is a variable scale which heavily depends on the users in this instance
Even that might be going a bit short. In the long run it's probably better to switch to piped, freetuhe, invidous, etc.
I’ve never (almost?) used chrome as main for the past 15+ years
but he’ll, the last years updates are more and more unstable. Tab and browser crashes are to be expected multiple times per week (ok browser crash maybe once per week)
Also I actually miss WebUSB, WebBluetooth (I work with embedded as a hobby and it’s very convenient) and background blur (nobody wants to allow camera blur in ff, especially linux)
For me Firefox haven't crashed once in a year or more, even though I'm a heavy user: using it every day for multiple hours as a "tab hoarder", with quite a few addons.
I also rarely restart it, as I don't turn off my computer completely, so the Firefox process is usually as old as the time of last system reboot.
I think you may have ran into a rare bug, that has got persisted in your browser profile.
You may create a new browser profile (e.g. on the about:profiles page) and set your things up there, and most likely it'll be stable.
I think there's also a "refresh Firefox" button somewhere where average people would look for it, but I don't know where it is. But be aware that this will delete everything in Firefox, where's if you create a new profile, the new profile will start with a clean slate and you can switch back and forth between the old one if you find out you need something from there (e.g. old passwords that you haven't transferred, a specific about:config setting if you use those, addon settings, …), or even have them open at the same time.there’s a very high chance that something’s off with my profile but deleting my profile is not worth it (yet?)
Losing my history isn’t something I take lightly - at all
Tell you the truth I’m just “harvesting” anger to fix the fucking bug and fix it “properly”. I hope
About the other points.
I see your point, personally I prefer WebUsb, WebBluetooth and such to be completely missing, so it's much less likely that a bug allows access to these to a site.
Bluring camera background seems to me very specific to webcams, and even if chromium based browsers will do it for you, I think you are better off with running OBS and it's virtual webcam functionality, as it has been made for that purpose (video processing), and it can do much more if you want (including cropping, ways to improve video quality, or even do greenboxing). Introducing background bluring to the browser would mean more requests to add this or that effect (even if it should actually be the task of the web app), and I think it's hard to maintain even a single such effect (that does not blur everything, but only certain parts of the image) if your devs don't have extensive experience in video processing. This would be a feature that if introduced, either would break once and stay that way for quite some time, or would take significant development resources to find the problem and keep it working.
I knooooooow, my feeling for WebUSB/whatever are completely love/hate. I come from a security background (and hobby) but the alternative to WebUSB is horrible and implementation specific - you need to download the binary, install the correct version of the X programmer and make it kiss your debugger. It’s bad.
Also I just don’t wanna open chrom* - I do but I’d like to tell a huge fuck off
About camera blur: What I wanted to point out is the lack of some “exotic” features that firefox lacks. the blur implementation is not in chrome but in each web app - means there’s the required api to do that
But it’s niche, I don’t care that much. there’s also a py project on gh that does exactly that: blur your background and expose a fake cam. It’s not “production ready” but it’s ok
also if you are on Windows the new duck duck Go browser takes care of all this automatically
I'm still waiting for my "AdBlOcKeR bAd 😭" popup, at this point I'm actually disappointed it hasn't shown up yet.
I'm using ublock and firefox (on arch btw) if your curious
WTF is with that URL. Only this bit seems required.
https://dev-to-uploads.s3.amazonaws.com/i/weawg96nbplroggqwmuc.jpg
Yeah but the real question is, why the hell did you choose to look at the URL instead of the image itself?
It's not such a bad idea to be in the habit of looking at URLs before you click on them generally, FYI. But in this case it wasn't really a choice.
Nah I mean it literally just showed me a picture by default because OP put it as a ![] () format
I use the same and got the popup yesterday
Update uBlock, reset filters to default, block your extensions and see if that helped. If things started working gradually start enabling extensions and check if popup started showing.
You likely have an extension that blocks too much and allows YouTube to detect adblocker.
Same, but I figured out that on Plasma X11 they won't show up while on Plasma Wayland they do… (was it random?)
I'm on Plasma Wayland and haven't seen the popup, yet
In my experience the popup comes up if and only if you have any custom blocking list enabled. Default uBlock filter lists are fine
Not true. I reset all my ublock settings to default and disabled any other adblockers like they recommended and I still got the popup. I then decided to use invidious instead.
weird, sticking with default lists fixed the issue for me and the moment I enabled any of the Easylist or Annoyances filters it come up again
Alright I've disabled easylist but now I'm receiving annoying sponsored widgets on my home screen and side bars so I might as well disable my adblocker at that point.
I imagine, they stretch this out over a longer period, so no shitstorm forms…
hasn't shown up for me either. I mostly use invidious, but i just tried directly on youtube, and it works with an adblocker too.
I've been binging YouTube, preparing to disengage forever…
It's been weeks now. The popup still hasn't come up
I only got it on my desktop which has other addons too (blocked the popup with ublocker so i even forgot about it). Phone and tablet is still safe.
After updating my uBlock lists to the latest version the popup no longer appears. Something to try out.
Maybe I've found a definitive solution, because adblocking only works for a few days, until Google noticed it and put contrameasures. In Firefox install Tampermonkey and in it this script
https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/477725-youtube-iframe-adblocker
In Vivaldi no need of Tampermonkey, download the link to an folder and don't delete it. Open the Extension page in developer mode and drag the script in it. Done
It is an ingenious userscript that helps persistent YouTube viewers bypass the frustrating "Ad blockers are not allowed on YouTube" message. It employs a clever technique of dynamically inserting an iframe player to replace the standard YouTube player. This method effectively circumvents YouTube's ad-blocker detection, allowing for an uninterrupted, ad-free viewing experience even after YouTube's standard measures have been triggered. So you can still use your adblocker without problems.
I would just caution anyone that blocking ads while logged into your Google account is probably a bad idea if you care about still watching videos there. Google will grow more desperate to show tracked ads to users.
The only ling term solution is to seek to watch YouTube e videos in a private way. Freestone is a good start. New piped and individuals look promising as well. I'm still researching a good long term solution.
Front-ends and streaming platforms are several outsite, but Google also is blocking those, its not a solution for a long term. I was recently using FreeTube as a desktop client, but it has become unusable. I recently replaced VLC with SMPlayer, MMplayer like VLC but way better, also FOSS, this allows me to watch, among others, streaming videos from different sites, among others also from YT so far without problems. I also use an extension (FOSS) that allows me to record the audio of the active tab and save it as mp3, that is, with this it does not matter whether it is a music video from YT or from other sources and with this outside of Google's control.
A good option is also IMDB, or better its online service, Odysee, which allows you to import subscriptions and playlists from YT, it is somewhat complicated to do, but it is guided. Odysee is not related to Google, it has a UI similar to YT and a good number of videos of all kinds, many have already moved to this platform. In my opinion it is the best direct alternative to YT.
In any case, at least so far, this userscript works wonderfully and I think it will continue to work, since it prevents YT from discovering that you use an adblocker, not like other anti adblock killers whose script I also have in the Vivaldi blocker list, since these do block the YT detector, which naturally has already been discovered, however this script does not block the YT detector, but surrounds it by putting a "mask" over the video, with which the detector passes underneath without discovering anything.
The risk that YT discovers it and blocks me? Yes it does anyway if I continue using an adblocker and I prefer to suck my elbow before deactivating the ad- and all the other blockers on YT and swallowing all the garbage of ads, clickbaits and the other shit that YT is full of (a single music video, blocked 12 ads and more than 20 trackers and without the Clickbait Remover, YT completely changes the thumbnails it shows, which mostly have nothing to do with the content). No, thanks
Yeah, I definitely agree, and haven't looked into all the options yet. It is pretty logical that they would catch on to stuff like free-tube very quickly. But I still think the only reasonable posture is to view video content anonymously, until google goes the twitter route and demands that you identify yourself to watch a video. They kind of already do that for mature content.
I know, there still videos blocked for NSFW content, where you need to identify you, eg the music video from Harakiri for the Sky - Funeral Dream is flagged as such, but you can still warch it from an other upload, Also not a problem to watch it in Andisearch or SMPlayer. But this filter has nothing to do with the current adblocker problem, age restricted vids in YT are exist since several years.
Google's desperation to show tracked ads is but one vector in the equation which determines longterm viability for watching Youtube ad-free for free. There are also other vectors to consider like the level of obtrusion required to actually effectively adblock-block, and its related effect on the userbase. And also just the level of inconvenience presented by ads, determined by their length, skippability etc.
The proportion of the userbase blocking ads is still relatively negligible, and this is an outcome manufactured by Google toeing the line between too obtrusive and too ineffective. Any measure I can imagine which would actually capture a significant portion of users blocking ads would also significantly skew the balance in favour of obtrusivity, which they would pay for in lost users.
As long as many users are happy to continue being vigilant in blocking ads, IMO this balance will ensure blocking ads will remain feasible.
Long term, google will demand our identity to serve video data to us, even if only out of principle. I just think that service will degrade in the pursuit of more price extraction.
I have a longer term project to decouple my identity and property from online services. Part of the reaso thnat I am also on lemmy in the first place. With google products, it is becoming clear that anonymous use is really the only answer.
In general I would agree, but as it pertains to Youtube adblock blocking - there is no gradual slide into degradation (apart from perhaps to do with the implementation of ads itself, though I'd argue they're less obtrusive now than in their original implementation many years ago).
There is fundamentally no way to adblock-block today which does not involve collecting info in a way that causes obvious privacy concerns. It's not somewhere Google can get to by taking little steps. The adblock-blocking that's been happening to date is easily circumvented. Logically an arms race between adblockers and adblock-blockers will ensue, except in practice it'd be like raising the stakes from a civil war re-enactment to actual nuclear war
Right. That is why I am saying: beocme anonymous now before google demands your identity to watch videos. That is where I believe this is headed.
This is working for me, super simple to install too.
Copy the URL, open it in a private window with ublock origin set to allowed in private windows. Can still view the video, and now they also can't attribute it to your user account.
So they lose again.
They can definitely still associate it to your household by IP though. Me and my roommates get video suggestions for things the others are interested in because of the IP tracking.
Yikes lol
While they can track your IP for all sorts of nefarious purposes, they can't and won't associate it to use of an ad blocker if the ad blocker has successfully blocked their ads because they, by definition, don't know that you've blocked them. If they did they would show the popup.
I think a VPN will then help with this.
Or just don’t ever sign in to YouTube and always clear cookies when you close the browser. And out of curiosity, why do people actually sign into YouTube? For “favorites” I just use my browsers bookmarks and it’s not like “hitting that bell” actually helps me because usually I won’t watch a just published video until I’m ready to actually watch something. So struggling to think of a reason to sign in except for the one time I need to increase the subscriber count for them. And even then, I promptly log out.
Because their algorithm is pretty damn good at recommending relevant stuff. For example, titanfall 2 got revived and I found a lot of small youtubers (<20k subs) making some incredibly good content through it. The secret is to click "not interested" on all the clickbait crap often enough and at some point it'll learn.
Though I do use
on an android TV and block out crap like shorts altogether because google's youtube app is unusable.
I kind of like the recommendations that populate aligned with my sub interests, basically
Only thing I can think of is getting notified for new videos from youtubers you’re subscribed to and the convenience of saving the play position when you don’t finish a video
For “favorites” I just use my browsers bookmarks
They don't work over multiple devices though, unless you have an account for your browser I guess.
Firefox syncs all my bookmarks for me across all devices. So that might be the account thing you’re talking about.
Like most things, it's their recommendation engine that is actually pretty good. For as much as people complain about "the algorithm", it's useful enough that it surfaces unknown people constantly for me, and suggests things that I am interested in watching (metalworking videos, welding, machining, 3d printing, godot programming, etc.) Without an account you just get… normie bullshit clickbait.
Chrome based browsers can get fucked.
It impacts Firefox as well
Youtube only serves ads on its own website and apps. Just saying. . .
Shh
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People keep saying this but I guess I'm on the lucky slow end of the rollout because I haven't had my adblock stop working yet.
But they've done this before, it's just a cycle. If I have to, I'll start using a new adblocker, or entirely diffent way to access the videos, once an option becomes available shortly, inevitably. No reason to worry about this long term IMO.
Make sure you're using the latest version of uBlockOrigin, then update all your filters. Should work just fine.
Not OP, but I tried that a couple of times and it always works for like 2 hours and then the popup reappears. I don't have any other extensions activated which might mess with uBlocks config, any ideas what I'm doing wrong?
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You are being unlucky is what you are doing wrong. The changes on YT are not being rolled out to all users at the same time. You could just be in a location or in a part of the network where changes are applied first. Nothing you can do to change that, just wait for the filter lists to catch up. Or migrate to piped or Invidious.
This whole "Firefox, Firefox, Firefox" chanting as if it prevents the ad block detection is ridiculous. The reason why FF users got spared for longer is because the marketshare of FF is so low, that it took longer until most of them were affected purely based on random chance.
I use Chrome on my work laptop and FF on my PC and I either get the detection message on both or I don't get it on either device.
you can also use invidious or piped
If you're not afraid of Docker you can even spin up your own instance of Invidious. You won't get much in the way of recommendations, but you won't have to worry about the site going down.
Be the frontend you want to see in the world.
When docker get their shit together and work on freebsd? Sure
That's a way taller order than you might think. Docker has loads of kernel level integration that FreeBSD isn't interested in supporting, also there are separate techs for similar purposes, like jails.
Yeah, so if projects don't support freebsd I'm out. Tired of everyone's fetish for docker, even Canonical have added freebsd style jails to ubuntu now
cgroups are very different and much more powerful than freebsd jails. The server world is leaving freebsd for Linux.
Docker still sucks, though, and you should use podman instead.
Son, just say no to IBM
The problem with podman is that we use stuff like Docker-compose and tilt at work, that require the docker daemon socket. I do try to use podman when possible, though. But yeah, I avoid Red Hat these days, that company is doomed.
I use kubernetes+containerd for my servers, which is neither Docker nor Podman.
Sounds more like a BSD problem and less like a Docker problem.
Podman to the rescue! Screw docker, podman is so much better and a quick google tells me there is a freebsd package of podman soooo
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Google forcing ads down our throats is putting ads in classrooms.
One word. Piped.
What I've been doing is using my account for subscriptions and such and having piped open in another tab, then to watch videos, right clicking on them instead of opening them, hitting copy link, and pasting that to the piped tab to quickly open them there.
That's a good work around. You can also right click and "open in private window" and it will work just fine.
There are userscripts that'll open your videos in Piped for you.
You might like the libredirect addon, then. Also, you can have an account on Piped, so your subriptions are with you on any device
Vivaldi with uBlock Origin here. A simple refresh of the page makes the popup go away, often for the rest of the session. For me, it's YT without ads as usual. I might need to clear uBlock cache and refresh filter lists to make it work even better. There's also a Tampermonkey script for blocking the popup, but I haven't tried it yet.
As a side note, I've seen a lot of talk about boycotting Youtube. There are 3 things to consider with this:
- Boycotting YT will give Google exactly what they want, getting rid of the "freeloaders" who don't pay for Premium and block ads.
- Boycotting YT will hurt small creators who don't see much ad revenue (if any) anyway. Views and likes are what make small creators visible to the algorithm, if these drop off, their reach will diminish.
- Boycotting YT won't affect big creators with sponsorships, healthy Patreon community, millions of subscribers and views.
Best way of defiance here is not stopping to use YT, but on the contrary, generating as much traffick to YT as possible while blocking the ads.
I don't agree, the best way would be to start using alternatives like lbry and/or peertube. These platforms are in a catch 22, creators won't upload because there are no viewers, viewers won't watch because there is little content. Every new viewer and/or creator on a YT-competitor has quite a big impact in the long run. This is a perfect moment in time to motivate people to boycot YT.
It's not that creators won't upload because there are no viewers. It's because on other platforms there is no way to earn money. "Because there are no viewers" doesn't make sense, because it costs a creator literally nothing to upload a video multiple times, to more platforms, instead of only once, which would theoretically only increase their reach in total. However, creators want their viewers to watch on YouTube because that's where the money is earned.
Dude just watch the ads so people get paid… It's like a simple 30 seconds out of your day each time (AT THE WORST… Most ads are not that long and can be skipped). You're not automatically entitled to free content, the content is generally provided to you under the assumption that you will do your absolutely minimal part by watching an ad. This is such a disgusting attitude.
You're part of the problem.
Dude just watch the ads so people get paid…
I don't care. Hypothetical incomes of other people are not my problem or obligation. Next you'll be saying I must eat at restaurants at least three days a week and attend all concerts and drama plays in my town because otherwise people don't get paid.
You’re not automatically entitled to free content
Correct. First I need to manually set up my tools, and then these tools get me free content automatically. But I don't care about entitlement; it's a spook. It's all down to risk-benefit. The risk of blocking youtube ads is basically nil, but I benefit by wasting less time and not having loud, imbecile and completely irrelevant audio-visual crap annoying me. I also pirate all my music, movies and shows. Because I don't care. I like free stuff. Copyright is a spook, anyway.
I go out of my way to be advertised to as physically little as possible. If someone can't offer content without, then death to 'em; and no pissy little youtuber is worth turning off my ad-block.
Just update the filters
I did the recommended stuff (resetting ublock, updating the filters and Restart). The ad popup about disabling adblock still opens up.
If you also use "Enhancer for YouTube" try disabling its adblocker.
Yes. I updated my uBlock Origin and it seems to skip through YouTube video ads for now. But I'm sure YouTube's team is hard at work trying to overcome the new workaround. This is essentially going to be a tech arms race, lol.
The good news is it probably costs Google 1000x in resources to come up with a solution than uBlock to get around it. Its a war they cannot truly win.
