Seriously though, Putin can’t back his ass out of the dumpster fire that he himself lit and both Europe and the US have been trying desperately to find a clean and easy way out of this mess literally for years, including throwing him the political lifelines that could’ve gotten him out before it got worse.
The fact that what you’re proposing hasn’t ever been seriously proposed by anyone in the US or EU, is probably because its the absolute dumbest bat%#* insane brain fart of an idea that anyone’s come up with so far…
Just to get this straight: you believe that we should allow Russia to just walk away without so much as a taunt, sticking the EU with the bill of rebuilding a giant gaping hole of a country in the heart of Europe, with the threat that if Russia ever tries anything, we’ll station a non-existent European army, even though we’ve disbanded the organization that’s supposed to command, supply and organize this army, after also excluding its key supplier of weapons, troops and logistics, while hoping he doesn’t nuke us now that we’ve voluntarily broken our nuclear triad, and to just assume till then that the same man who wiped his ass with most of the international treaties that Russia ever signed will actually keep his word and not take advantage of our self-imposed weakness?
Damn, bro… you’re like the spouse lying in the hospital bed with a concussion, swollen face, and broken jaw murmuring: ‘he’s changed, it’s not his fault, I deserved it…’
The proposal would save face for Putin. He would be able to boast to the Russian people that he got the US out of Europe.
NATO would be replaced by a European alliance. With Ukraine in the alliance, it would be formidable force. Trump is already talking about leaving NATO. He also seems friendly towards Putin. The UK and France have nuclear weapons. The US won’t have troops or equipment stationed in Europe, but it can join the fight with Europe if Russian invades.
The British and French air forces might be able to gain air superiority. British and French troops would boost Ukrainian morale possibly increasing enlistment. The UK and France are no weaker than Russia which is having a difficult time defeating Ukraine.
Case closed, Panthera for the win.
Seriously though, Putin can’t back his ass out of the dumpster fire that he himself lit and both Europe and the US have been trying desperately to find a clean and easy way out of this mess literally for years, including throwing him the political lifelines that could’ve gotten him out before it got worse.
The fact that what you’re proposing hasn’t ever been seriously proposed by anyone in the US or EU, is probably because its the absolute dumbest bat%#* insane brain fart of an idea that anyone’s come up with so far…
Just to get this straight: you believe that we should allow Russia to just walk away without so much as a taunt, sticking the EU with the bill of rebuilding a giant gaping hole of a country in the heart of Europe, with the threat that if Russia ever tries anything, we’ll station a non-existent European army, even though we’ve disbanded the organization that’s supposed to command, supply and organize this army, after also excluding its key supplier of weapons, troops and logistics, while hoping he doesn’t nuke us now that we’ve voluntarily broken our nuclear triad, and to just assume till then that the same man who wiped his ass with most of the international treaties that Russia ever signed will actually keep his word and not take advantage of our self-imposed weakness?
Damn, bro… you’re like the spouse lying in the hospital bed with a concussion, swollen face, and broken jaw murmuring: ‘he’s changed, it’s not his fault, I deserved it…’
The proposal would save face for Putin. He would be able to boast to the Russian people that he got the US out of Europe.
NATO would be replaced by a European alliance. With Ukraine in the alliance, it would be formidable force. Trump is already talking about leaving NATO. He also seems friendly towards Putin. The UK and France have nuclear weapons. The US won’t have troops or equipment stationed in Europe, but it can join the fight with Europe if Russian invades.
In other words, Europe should surrender to the aggressor, despite the fact that he’s trapped in what’s (for him) at best a stalemate.
Europe and the US already capitulated to the Anschluss of Crimea. How much peace did that buy us?
Europe is not surrendering. In my proposal, Russia would be required to withdraw from all land it seized after the 2022 invasion.
There is zero chance russia withdraws. The lines will end where one military begins.
In my proposal, the UK and France will send troops into Ukraine if Putin rejects the proposal.
First of all, the UK and France are both weak, and about to be toppled by putin (and now america,) backed fascists.
Shit is not looking good.
But they would be too much of cunts to do that anyway. This isn’t 1780, the euro powers are weak and corrupted.
The British and French air forces might be able to gain air superiority. British and French troops would boost Ukrainian morale possibly increasing enlistment. The UK and France are no weaker than Russia which is having a difficult time defeating Ukraine.
They have weaker leadership. Absolutely, Europe would wipe the floor with russia in a conventional war, they won’t though.