Look, I’m not arguing about whether this is illegal or not. I’m arguing about the literal definition of the term “hacking”.
It’s just like walking into a strangers house without permission where the door is wide open is technically illegal, but it can’t qualify as “breaking and entering”.
It’s two different things being argued about: the legal term “hacking” vs the every day language term, which I believe implies something more specific than “unauthorized access”, something where technical or social skills were used to gain that access.
That’s the parallel I was trying to draw by mentioning the word “hotwiring” instead of “stealing”. It would be like if the legal term for stealing a car was “hotwiring”.
That said, I did see that the OP of this tangent is actually trying to argue the “this isn’t illegal” angle rather than the difference between legal terms and broader language terms.
I agree this falls under the legal definition of hacking, but I also agree with those basically saying that this falls outside of the way they think the term should be used. It waters down its meaning.
I agree with what you said. This also wasn’t social engineering. The password was just there and available.
Also, the excellent and amazing movie Hackers features plenty of social engineering.
Also, I didn’t say “excellent” and “amazing” sarcastically. It really is an under rated movie.
It was there, doesn’t mean it was for you. If you found a car with the keys in it, would you steal it or realize you shouldn’t do that?
Is it a nice car?
Look, I’m not arguing about whether this is illegal or not. I’m arguing about the literal definition of the term “hacking”.
It’s just like walking into a strangers house without permission where the door is wide open is technically illegal, but it can’t qualify as “breaking and entering”.
Yeah but if I did, no one would say I hotwired the car.
Its still grand theft, hotwired or keys. That’s the whole point 😅
It’s two different things being argued about: the legal term “hacking” vs the every day language term, which I believe implies something more specific than “unauthorized access”, something where technical or social skills were used to gain that access.
That’s the parallel I was trying to draw by mentioning the word “hotwiring” instead of “stealing”. It would be like if the legal term for stealing a car was “hotwiring”.
That said, I did see that the OP of this tangent is actually trying to argue the “this isn’t illegal” angle rather than the difference between legal terms and broader language terms.
I agree this falls under the legal definition of hacking, but I also agree with those basically saying that this falls outside of the way they think the term should be used. It waters down its meaning.