France is to enshrine in law the end of so-called “conjugal rights” – the notion that marriage means a duty to have sex.
A bill approved on Wednesday in the National Assembly adds a clause to the country’s civil code to make clear that “community of living” does not create an “obligation for sexual relations”.
The proposed law also makes it impossible to use lack of sexual relations as an argument in fault-based divorce.
Though unlikely to have a major impact in the courts, supporters hope the law will help deter marital rape.
I don’t agree with this at all. If you are a very sexual person and suddenly your partner isn’t thats not your fault and you have a right to be happy with someone else if you so choose
There are several concepts you may wish to read up on, such as polyamory and divorce.
Except that is exactly what this law states - that you can onesidedly divorce based on a sexless marriage. So now you cant divorce for fault and need your spouses approval
That… is not how any of this works. You can totally divorce even if your spouse refuses. There’s mutual consent, at fault, mutual acceptance of marital breakdown (irreconcilable differences), and definitive severance- i.e, you are no longer living as a couple.
As a side note, it’s fucking hilarious that your worst possible imaginary scenario is what’s been actual reality for most women until extremely recently.
I mean I am not from France but as far as I can see there is not an option in this list from that is not a fault and not strictly a way to do a divorce on your own. https://refugies.info/en/procedure/60a7b164331be50014dd88cc
How does this work then can you guide me to information about it?
The only option here would be to not live together which maybe impossible for you financially or could even be boycotted by your partner and it would take a year at least as far as I can see here. So therefore their needs to be a different way you didn’t had on your list or on the refugirs info side that’s an option for a faultless one sided divorce because you are in a sexless marriage
Well i listed a series of literal legal divorce categories in france, just in english names.
the at fault one is the only one affected by this change, and you can still have other reasons why you think the other person tanked the marriage ( a “fault” divorce is basically “I can’t stay married to this person, they broke it” which is why they’re saying "no, you can’t say “refused to give me the sex i want” - It’s a pressure tactic that can get in the bin)
Like all laws you can get dispensations and other proofs - like you said in this economy you might me stuck together but if you have separate personal bills and can prove you’ve been out dating other people, living in a different room and having a separate life it would probably fly. Also again, it’s just the sex that’s no longer a reason, for you to get to the point where you have a dead bed marriage and are unable to talk out a reasonable arrangement or divorce there are going to be a lot of other reasons you can cite for an at fault divorce.
But realistically, most people work it out. An at fault is usually a punishment move. Sometimes the punishment is deserved , sometimes it’s just spite. This law aims to remove sexual coercion.
Am I just misunderstanding what your saying, to me the worst case scenario for women would be what the right in American wants, for men to have to give approval for a divorce.
That’s absolutely not what I want, I’m just saying sexalual drive varies greatly and if you are someone who loves sex and suddenly you find yourself in a dead bedroom,. You should have the right to leave the relationship and make yourself happy
I think you are misunderstanding this thread.
The person I’m replying to thinks the law change means you are potentially trapped in a marriage you no longer want and need your spouses ‘approval’ to leave (in the case of a sexually dead marriage) - which isn’t just US right wing fantasy, it’s been a reality for women worldwide and still is in many places.
They are incorrect btw. You have the right to leave a dead bedroom marriage. You have the right to find a more sexually compatible partner. The law changes we’re discussing do not remove any of these from people under french law.
Can you pls not misgender me thank you
Apologies, removed the (men)
Nothing I love more than seeing gross takes on the Internet from my home state.
What’s gross? Dead bedrooms are a thing and become a thing sometimes even in healthy relationships. If you are a sexual person and suddenly your partner is not. It’s unfair and selfish to make the other partner stay committed. I’m not advocating for affairs but I do believe people have a right to be happy and being stuck in a marriage without sex seems like it would be miserable
This isn’t saying you can’t get a divorce. It’s saying a woman cannot be legally obligated to fuck her husband.
Then that woman is going to be single. I know truth hurts, but it’s reality
Oh no. Some sexist guy in the American Midwest won’t date the nebulous concept of a woman with bodily autonomy! What ever will the women do???
You stay lonely sweetheart. Happily married 23 years now and I tagged you as forever alone
This is what No-fault divorce is for.
I think about it all too often…