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It’s a cult too. It feeds on hype and marketing so people will say anything to keep the value of their worthless investments up. That’s probably why you’re getting a couple downvotes even though you’re 100% right. Wouldn’t be surprised if some coins got big from bot network spamming on social media.
Edit: they won’t even argue about it, they just keep downvoting. Proves my point exactly.
Crypto is used to scam, it doesn't mean the technology or the idea is a scam. I find it really ironic how Lemmy seems to hate it so much. I don't have any investment in it anymore because I don't like how profit-focused it became but I first got into it for the same reason I'm here on Lemmy, Bitcoin was an open source and federated alternative to money. Anyone could run a node and mine it. No more proprietary apps like PayPal.
While I don't think we will ever recapture the original spirit the tech had in the early 2010s I do find it quite sad that people think crypto = scam. Is HTTP a scam because scam websites exist? Are phones a scam because scam calls exist? I really wish people would separate the underlying technology (which is actually really cool) and the people using it.
I can totally see how it used to be more ideal, however it's been completely perverted from a legitimate currency into a MAGA-style investment fraud cult. At this point people need to start denouncing crypto- every new crypto project now is a get rich quick scam and people who don't know any better will fall for it. I think that crypto's days are numbered, coins will probably be heavily regulated by the end of the decade.
Besides all that, my personal opinion is that investing in "nothing" is scammy. There are no physical or heavily regulated securities like when you invest in stocks, precious metals, and art.
The physical value of it is what gets me. Or rather, lack of physical value.
Cash is real. We can hold it in our hands, see it with our eyes and so on. Similarly with a debit/credit card, you know what that physical card in your wallet represents, and you know what the amount tied to it is/means.
Cryptocurrency is literally just digital code made to be similar to money. But there's no physical value tied to it. It doesn't represent anything other than it's code. If the world's economies and governments were to suddenly fall tomorrow, we'd still have cash and other physically valuable objects to trade and barter with. You most definitely would not be able to walk up to someone with a hard drive of Bitcoin to trade for anything.
however it’s been completely perverted from a legitimate currency into a MAGA-style investment fraud cult
Rather than a currency or a movement that is the sum of everyone who uses it, a more accurate way to think of crypto is as a sort of anarchist technology. It empowers people to take financial action without asking permission, without guardrails, without having to go through a company or a bank that will monitor you and shut you down if they feel like it. Naturally people will use that agency for things like online drug markets, ransomware payments, and pyramid scheme style gambling. But that doesn't mean the technology itself is bad, just that it is powerful. Stablecoins in particular are seeing increasing use all over the world just because there is a lot of dysfunction and oppression in the banking systems of most countries and great difficulty in interfacing with other countries. If you want to buy a VPN or web hosting or anything else anonymously online, crypto is really the only answer to digital cash. It is a real, viable way to cut out middlemen and central authorities and that deserves respect even if it also makes it the de-facto medium for certain criminals.
My hope is that what will be regulated is the type of shit Reddit has done here, and the type of shit FTX did, which is really more traditional investment fraud with a crypto smokescreen than something that is genuinely founded in the technology. With the Reddit tokens, nothing was decentralized except the tokens, they controlled everything the tokens could possibly be used for, and the only thing giving them value was Reddit's implied promise to leave that potential revenue for the tokens instead of just taking it for themselves, which ultimately of course they did. You don't even need crypto for that, they could have done the exact same thing with their own centralized game tokens, and it would have been just as much of a scam. Don't blame crypto for that, blame Reddit and companies like Reddit trying to get away with this type of thing.
There are plenty of crypto projects which are not get rich quick scams. For example Monero is a community project which allows fully anonymous transactions. Ethereum is quite corporate but they are really working hard to improve the technology, like introducing staking. And there are many more, but it can be hard to distinguish them from the scams. Anyway it's not as simple as crypto bad.
It's, by design, a deflationary asset. There's a limited amount of it, the difficulty to mine it goes up as there's more of it, therefore it's designed to grow in value over time. So since its inception it's been a scam. Sure, a scam some lucky people have been able to get in on early, but a scam none-the-less.
I initially replied but deleted my reply because I wasn't sure of myself but I've looked it up just to be sure and I can reply again in confidence: Gold isn't deflationary.
Gold is a standard in which remains stable among the currencies when compared to commodity goods. As other currencies inflate, gold also inflates, because it's somewhat stable. Gold's value does not increase over time, even though its value in relation to inflating currencies does.
Essentially, as an example but one pulled completely out of my ass here: If bread cost 1 gram of gold 200 years ago, but that was a single shilling but now it takes 1000 shillings to buy bread, gold is now worth "1000 shillings", but still buys the same bread. So it's not increasing in value vs the things around it, only other currencies because they are inflating.
Which means that it's deflationary against euro or usd. Also "there’s a limited amount of it, the difficulty to mine it goes up as there’s more of it". So according to your definition gold is a scam. I wonder who is going to pull the rug on it.
Wrong. Which means it's stable, and the USD and EURO are inflationary. That's why gold is gold. That's why it's a staple stock. Because it's stable against everything that those currencies buy. It will basically, always be worth the same amount as it was 1000 years ago. Gold is the reference of a "stable" value. In the example I made, 1 gram of gold 200 years ago buys the same amount as 1 gram of gold today. That's exactly how gold works. That's why economies use it as a measuring stick of their own currency.
Worse, it's value is based on the work it requires to grow/maintain it. And that work is based on how much electricity/world resources it uses. Aka. Bad for the environment. And if you were to make say a new crypto currency that used far less processing power, that would be less work and thus have little value.
In other words, you can't fix the crypto currency problem of massive energy usage without destroying the value of it. When Bitcoin does die, it will have emitted millions of tons of green house gases while providing very few real services/transactions.
That's not true at all. That only applies to coins using "proof of work." Ethereum for example is extremely popular and doesn't use that. You should really learn more about the topic before spreading misinformation.
Yes I am familiar with that and heard that argument before. It does provide some other functions that can negate some of the proof of work. But it is also subject to proof of work to a lesser degree but that means it will also hit some equilibrium. Will that outweigh the benefits it provides and this be ultimately viable and more important, environmentally viable? With my experience in it, I am dubious.
Crypto. Is. A. Scam.
It’s a cult too. It feeds on hype and marketing so people will say anything to keep the value of their worthless investments up. That’s probably why you’re getting a couple downvotes even though you’re 100% right. Wouldn’t be surprised if some coins got big from bot network spamming on social media.
Edit: they won’t even argue about it, they just keep downvoting. Proves my point exactly.
Crypto is used to scam, it doesn't mean the technology or the idea is a scam. I find it really ironic how Lemmy seems to hate it so much. I don't have any investment in it anymore because I don't like how profit-focused it became but I first got into it for the same reason I'm here on Lemmy, Bitcoin was an open source and federated alternative to money. Anyone could run a node and mine it. No more proprietary apps like PayPal.
While I don't think we will ever recapture the original spirit the tech had in the early 2010s I do find it quite sad that people think crypto = scam. Is HTTP a scam because scam websites exist? Are phones a scam because scam calls exist? I really wish people would separate the underlying technology (which is actually really cool) and the people using it.
I can totally see how it used to be more ideal, however it's been completely perverted from a legitimate currency into a MAGA-style investment fraud cult. At this point people need to start denouncing crypto- every new crypto project now is a get rich quick scam and people who don't know any better will fall for it. I think that crypto's days are numbered, coins will probably be heavily regulated by the end of the decade.
Besides all that, my personal opinion is that investing in "nothing" is scammy. There are no physical or heavily regulated securities like when you invest in stocks, precious metals, and art.
The physical value of it is what gets me. Or rather, lack of physical value.
Cash is real. We can hold it in our hands, see it with our eyes and so on. Similarly with a debit/credit card, you know what that physical card in your wallet represents, and you know what the amount tied to it is/means.
Cryptocurrency is literally just digital code made to be similar to money. But there's no physical value tied to it. It doesn't represent anything other than it's code. If the world's economies and governments were to suddenly fall tomorrow, we'd still have cash and other physically valuable objects to trade and barter with. You most definitely would not be able to walk up to someone with a hard drive of Bitcoin to trade for anything.
Rather than a currency or a movement that is the sum of everyone who uses it, a more accurate way to think of crypto is as a sort of anarchist technology. It empowers people to take financial action without asking permission, without guardrails, without having to go through a company or a bank that will monitor you and shut you down if they feel like it. Naturally people will use that agency for things like online drug markets, ransomware payments, and pyramid scheme style gambling. But that doesn't mean the technology itself is bad, just that it is powerful. Stablecoins in particular are seeing increasing use all over the world just because there is a lot of dysfunction and oppression in the banking systems of most countries and great difficulty in interfacing with other countries. If you want to buy a VPN or web hosting or anything else anonymously online, crypto is really the only answer to digital cash. It is a real, viable way to cut out middlemen and central authorities and that deserves respect even if it also makes it the de-facto medium for certain criminals.
My hope is that what will be regulated is the type of shit Reddit has done here, and the type of shit FTX did, which is really more traditional investment fraud with a crypto smokescreen than something that is genuinely founded in the technology. With the Reddit tokens, nothing was decentralized except the tokens, they controlled everything the tokens could possibly be used for, and the only thing giving them value was Reddit's implied promise to leave that potential revenue for the tokens instead of just taking it for themselves, which ultimately of course they did. You don't even need crypto for that, they could have done the exact same thing with their own centralized game tokens, and it would have been just as much of a scam. Don't blame crypto for that, blame Reddit and companies like Reddit trying to get away with this type of thing.
There are plenty of crypto projects which are not get rich quick scams. For example Monero is a community project which allows fully anonymous transactions. Ethereum is quite corporate but they are really working hard to improve the technology, like introducing staking. And there are many more, but it can be hard to distinguish them from the scams. Anyway it's not as simple as crypto bad.
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what technology? slower database and you can't edit it is the TEchnOloGy?
It's, by design, a deflationary asset. There's a limited amount of it, the difficulty to mine it goes up as there's more of it, therefore it's designed to grow in value over time. So since its inception it's been a scam. Sure, a scam some lucky people have been able to get in on early, but a scam none-the-less.
This is not true of all crypto. It is true of bitcoin though.
So gold is a scam? lol
I initially replied but deleted my reply because I wasn't sure of myself but I've looked it up just to be sure and I can reply again in confidence: Gold isn't deflationary.
Gold is a standard in which remains stable among the currencies when compared to commodity goods. As other currencies inflate, gold also inflates, because it's somewhat stable. Gold's value does not increase over time, even though its value in relation to inflating currencies does.
Essentially, as an example but one pulled completely out of my ass here: If bread cost 1 gram of gold 200 years ago, but that was a single shilling but now it takes 1000 shillings to buy bread, gold is now worth "1000 shillings", but still buys the same bread. So it's not increasing in value vs the things around it, only other currencies because they are inflating.
Which means that it's deflationary against euro or usd. Also "there’s a limited amount of it, the difficulty to mine it goes up as there’s more of it". So according to your definition gold is a scam. I wonder who is going to pull the rug on it.
Wrong. Which means it's stable, and the USD and EURO are inflationary. That's why gold is gold. That's why it's a staple stock. Because it's stable against everything that those currencies buy. It will basically, always be worth the same amount as it was 1000 years ago. Gold is the reference of a "stable" value. In the example I made, 1 gram of gold 200 years ago buys the same amount as 1 gram of gold today. That's exactly how gold works. That's why economies use it as a measuring stick of their own currency.
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Worse, it's value is based on the work it requires to grow/maintain it. And that work is based on how much electricity/world resources it uses. Aka. Bad for the environment. And if you were to make say a new crypto currency that used far less processing power, that would be less work and thus have little value.
In other words, you can't fix the crypto currency problem of massive energy usage without destroying the value of it. When Bitcoin does die, it will have emitted millions of tons of green house gases while providing very few real services/transactions.
That's not true at all. That only applies to coins using "proof of work." Ethereum for example is extremely popular and doesn't use that. You should really learn more about the topic before spreading misinformation.
Yes I am familiar with that and heard that argument before. It does provide some other functions that can negate some of the proof of work. But it is also subject to proof of work to a lesser degree but that means it will also hit some equilibrium. Will that outweigh the benefits it provides and this be ultimately viable and more important, environmentally viable? With my experience in it, I am dubious.