I don't eat a lot of meat, but after hearing arguments like these from vegetarians and vegans, I gave up on not eating meat.
Too expensive to eat vegan and I got really fucking tired of being called fucking stupid for buying meat free alternatives. It's not worth the effort in the end.
vegan food isn't expensive. artificial meat replacements are expensive, because you're paying someone to chemically torture plants until they vaguely remind you of animals. lentils, beans, and other awesome-tasting protein sources are dirt cheap. vegan-first dishes are great and really cheap.
It's absolutely trivial to cook meals vegan or vegetarian and simply add meat separately at the end, or not add it at all. What you're describing is just piss-poor meal planning and has nothing to do with the cost of vegetables.
Or you were just buying every prepackaged bit of vegan food in the store.
It wasn’t just the vegan thing though. My kid is autistic and absolutely wouldn’t eat anything other than what she put on her list. Like to the point we had to get her help.
I guess that’s something I shouldn’t have left out. It just wasn’t something that even crossed my mind as I made the comment.
It's interesting that while you were making this up you couldn't decide whether your kid was vegetarian or vegan. You'd think with cooking two separate meals every night you'd be familiar with the difference.
Ignoring the obvious joke you missed. If someone being a little rude is enough to make you completely give up on your ethical/moral stance, you need to grow a spine dude .
If a gay person is an ass to me i dont decide to become homophobic and blame it on them.
I won't go near the comparison to one's sexual preference, to another voluntary dietary habits.
But, you're not wrong. If this was something that was super important to me and life affecting, then you are completely right.
Now, as someone who is just trying to not eat meat for personal and whatever reasons, that's not how you get people into your cause. I am not bound to it, and the perception of the community is something i get to have liberty with.
How about "well, it's not an animal. not bad". Not being me with my kid hearing that her favorite burger patty (the impossible one) is a waste of money and an embarrassment to the real vegans in the middle of the safeway by a random asshole stranger, who had the after thought to explain how tofu is better totally not noticing that his very life is in danger.
Oh yes the voluntary dietary habit of taking a sentient being's life against its will because it's tasty and I can't be bothered to learn how to cook properly using plants.
In fairness, it's really easy to act like a badass in front of…am I reading that right, some hypothetical guy in Costco who told his daughter she's not a real vegan?
I didn't act or anything. I just stood there much like here watching the entitled dietary moron go off.
But I was really annoyed so like the imaginary cool vegan, it was more contexts. But good notes. It was Safeway. No wonder yall are not taken seriously.
Once again, because it's come up so many times in this thread, not at all vegan, definitely omnivorous, just not someone who assumes their membership in the majority defines them as a victim unlike the coward Wage_slave@lemmy.ml
This is not arrogance it's playful language for humorous effect. The real reason to not eat fake meat is that it usually doesn't taste very good no matter how you prepare it, whereas traditional vegan food can be amazing
Meat is pretty much the most expensive protein source. You can get tofu for like 1/5 the price of meat. The other guy summed it up well (although with some sarcasm) that eating vegan is only expensive when you try to replicate the meat. Just eat tofu and you'll be healthier and richer :)
How many people called you stupid for buying meat free alternatives? I largely do not eat meat and I can count on one hand the number of times it has been mentioned in the past decade. It's also only comparatively expensive because meat is so subsidized.
I mostly do not eat meat because it is fucking terrible for the environment.
Middle of a Safeway once, in line at McDonald's my ex was called a poser for ordering the veggie burger by someone in line at a fucking McDonald's (dont care if youre just there for the fries), online community of course adds to it because, well yeah, here we are.
Entitled people have a way of announcing and decrying those below them. Like morons who think Android phones are for the poor.
I got really fucking tired of being called fucking stupid for buying meat free alternatives.
Sorry that you met condescending assholes. Some people just have the urge to feel superior over others for absolutely silly reasons. The rise of meat alternatives is one of the few things that make me optimistic for the future, along with renewable energy, electric cars and heat pumps. Factory farms are so much worse for the environment and animals, of course we should embrace alternatives to the worst option.
Prices also go down with more competition. There basically wasn't any market for meat alternatives 10 years ago, now it's growing quite fast. In 5 years, many of them will likely be cheaper than meat.
No it definitely is a thing, lot of exvegans who find themselves suddenly going very sick until they try meat again and it's the most delicious cure they've ever had
Which is utterly fucking irrelevant to the idiot-tier statement that somehow vegans/vegetarians don't get enough protein.
Only absolute morons who tie their entire identity to eating meat think that, usually losers that hang out in the comments sections of YouTube channels with names like "Carnivoracious" or "BeardMeat" or "Beardivore" or "MeatyBeardMan." "I eat meat, I have beard, this is my personality, I have nine pounds of undigested meat in my colon and I haven't shit in a week."
"Diet For a Small Planet, however, unfortunately helped create a persistent myth that vegetarians and vegans faced severe challenges when it comes to getting enough protein. Over the next few decades, multiple studies coupled with the lack of vegans dropping dead from acute protein deficiency extinguished that hysteria."
It takes like .2 seconds to verify if your sincerely held religious belief is utter nonsense or not.
I don't eat a lot of meat, but after hearing arguments like these from vegetarians and vegans, I gave up on not eating meat.
Too expensive to eat vegan and I got really fucking tired of being called fucking stupid for buying meat free alternatives. It's not worth the effort in the end.
vegan food isn't expensive. artificial meat replacements are expensive, because you're paying someone to chemically torture plants until they vaguely remind you of animals. lentils, beans, and other awesome-tasting protein sources are dirt cheap. vegan-first dishes are great and really cheap.
As a man who fed a vegan child for 8 years…no. Vegan meals cost way more.
That one kid cost as much as two non vegan kids to feed.
Maybe it was because I was buying what she said to buy.
Fortunately when her mom tearfully said, “please be a vegetarian until you grow up and buy your own food.” she went with it.
It was a nightmare feeding her separate from the rest of us, but I respected her choices. I had to cook two meals every evening. That was rough.
Glad she’s grown and off at college. I miss her but I don’t miss all that extra work.
It's absolutely trivial to cook meals vegan or vegetarian and simply add meat separately at the end, or not add it at all. What you're describing is just piss-poor meal planning and has nothing to do with the cost of vegetables.
Or you were just buying every prepackaged bit of vegan food in the store.
You should've asked for help from the vegan community - it could've been really easy. :(
You’re right.
It wasn’t just the vegan thing though. My kid is autistic and absolutely wouldn’t eat anything other than what she put on her list. Like to the point we had to get her help.
I guess that’s something I shouldn’t have left out. It just wasn’t something that even crossed my mind as I made the comment.
It's interesting that while you were making this up you couldn't decide whether your kid was vegetarian or vegan. You'd think with cooking two separate meals every night you'd be familiar with the difference.
See, it's arrogant, and stupid shit like this that makes me wanna go get a burger just to spite ya.
"Oh fucking no!! I am torturing plants and shit blah blah blah"
No fucking wonder.
Ignoring the obvious joke you missed. If someone being a little rude is enough to make you completely give up on your ethical/moral stance, you need to grow a spine dude .
If a gay person is an ass to me i dont decide to become homophobic and blame it on them.
I won't go near the comparison to one's sexual preference, to another voluntary dietary habits.
But, you're not wrong. If this was something that was super important to me and life affecting, then you are completely right.
Now, as someone who is just trying to not eat meat for personal and whatever reasons, that's not how you get people into your cause. I am not bound to it, and the perception of the community is something i get to have liberty with.
How about "well, it's not an animal. not bad". Not being me with my kid hearing that her favorite burger patty (the impossible one) is a waste of money and an embarrassment to the real vegans in the middle of the safeway by a random asshole stranger, who had the after thought to explain how tofu is better totally not noticing that his very life is in danger.
Oh yes the voluntary dietary habit of taking a sentient being's life against its will because it's tasty and I can't be bothered to learn how to cook properly using plants.
Nice internet tough guy shit at the end there 
In fairness, it's really easy to act like a badass in front of…am I reading that right, some hypothetical guy in Costco who told his daughter she's not a real vegan?
I didn't act or anything. I just stood there much like here watching the entitled dietary moron go off.
But I was really annoyed so like the imaginary cool vegan, it was more contexts. But good notes. It was Safeway. No wonder yall are not taken seriously.
Once again, because it's come up so many times in this thread, not at all vegan, definitely omnivorous, just not someone who assumes their membership in the majority defines them as a victim unlike the coward Wage_slave@lemmy.ml
There's nothing at all wrong with eating fake meats. i do all the time. Thats not the point i was making
lmao did you just fantasize about threatening a vegan while grocery shopping?
I think that may have been a joke.
It was a joke Mark. A Christmas joke.
Lol I eat meat but knock yourself out there hero
This is not arrogance it's playful language for humorous effect. The real reason to not eat fake meat is that it usually doesn't taste very good no matter how you prepare it, whereas traditional vegan food can be amazing
Meat is pretty much the most expensive protein source. You can get tofu for like 1/5 the price of meat. The other guy summed it up well (although with some sarcasm) that eating vegan is only expensive when you try to replicate the meat. Just eat tofu and you'll be healthier and richer :)
Aren't almonds also bad for the environment? Not the person you're replying to, just curious if almond dahi or paneer substitute are worth the expense
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How many people called you stupid for buying meat free alternatives? I largely do not eat meat and I can count on one hand the number of times it has been mentioned in the past decade. It's also only comparatively expensive because meat is so subsidized.
I mostly do not eat meat because it is fucking terrible for the environment.
Middle of a Safeway once, in line at McDonald's my ex was called a poser for ordering the veggie burger by someone in line at a fucking McDonald's (dont care if youre just there for the fries), online community of course adds to it because, well yeah, here we are.
Entitled people have a way of announcing and decrying those below them. Like morons who think Android phones are for the poor.
Sorry that you met condescending assholes. Some people just have the urge to feel superior over others for absolutely silly reasons. The rise of meat alternatives is one of the few things that make me optimistic for the future, along with renewable energy, electric cars and heat pumps. Factory farms are so much worse for the environment and animals, of course we should embrace alternatives to the worst option.
Prices also go down with more competition. There basically wasn't any market for meat alternatives 10 years ago, now it's growing quite fast. In 5 years, many of them will likely be cheaper than meat.
You dodged a bullet, the average vegan eventually goes back to me when their body starts crapping out on them to do lack of protein
Yeah… that's not a thing
No it definitely is a thing, lot of exvegans who find themselves suddenly going very sick until they try meat again and it's the most delicious cure they've ever had
Sounds totally legit
Source: trust me bro
And yet somehow guys like this exist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HgEImdn04g
Also 30% of India.
Also you're full of shit and know nothing.
30% of Indians are vegetarians, not vegans.
Which is utterly fucking irrelevant to the idiot-tier statement that somehow vegans/vegetarians don't get enough protein.
Only absolute morons who tie their entire identity to eating meat think that, usually losers that hang out in the comments sections of YouTube channels with names like "Carnivoracious" or "BeardMeat" or "Beardivore" or "MeatyBeardMan." "I eat meat, I have beard, this is my personality, I have nine pounds of undigested meat in my colon and I haven't shit in a week."
Of course vegans can get enough protein from lentils, pulses etc. But it is easier for vegetarians because they can also consume dairy products.
https://vegan.com/health/protein/
"Diet For a Small Planet, however, unfortunately helped create a persistent myth that vegetarians and vegans faced severe challenges when it comes to getting enough protein. Over the next few decades, multiple studies coupled with the lack of vegans dropping dead from acute protein deficiency extinguished that hysteria."
It takes like .2 seconds to verify if your sincerely held religious belief is utter nonsense or not.
Maybe that's why so few people bother learning.
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Do you even know what protein is or where it comes from? Have you ever asked yourself where animals get their protein?
Animals eat other animals, that's whalere the protein comes from
All the way down? You saying the bottom of the food chain is animals?
Yes, the first single cell life forms ate other single cell lifeforms, the world is cannibalistic.