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Guess what humans are lol

If she was around the same cs students as me then yeah

Ok? A landlord is still no substitute for actual insurance

They’re still getting your money for little to no work. You’re helping house and feed them in order to have access to their private property. As in, you are creating value through your labor, and have to exchange some of that value you created with your landlord for access to private property. Your landlord granting you access doesn’t create value and yet you have to pay for it. At the end of the day, they still have a property that has an exchange value and you had to trade some of the value you created for nothing. It’s consumed. It’s gone.

All landlords are parasites. Paying a landlord is not the same as having home insurance…

companies building houses to gain revenue by renting brings in investment in developing land and real estate. It’s just that some ridiculous revenue expectations drive the rent way over what is reasonable.

how about they build to sell??? Why do they need a stream of money in perpetuity for a one-time investment?

Found the CloudFactory!

if you don’t have time then why bother debating?

I’m here cause i’m mildly drunk and cause i wanna entertain myself and people of lemmy with a philosophical blabber. No hurt feelings.

@Teppichbrand@feddit.org This is why I don’t bother debating with carnists. To them the pain and suffering they cause is just a mildly interesting talking point that they use for their ghoulish entertainment. They will demand an original write up to the same tired talking points you and I have seen a dozen times and will not genuinely engage with anything you link (I’m talking about this incident where a carnist was intruding in a vegan space)

Anywho, the article you provided… It seems like a dramatic personal story

It isn’t if you read past the introductory paragraph and actually watched the media like I asked.

I was raised in a village, where we had our own livestock, and i’ve seen my share of cruelty.

So you agree that it’s cruel? What the fuck was your point about “we can’t really know if we’re actually harming them”

Being kind and generous, as opposed to being cruel, is a vanity.

no, it’s a virtue. I dont know what you think a vanity is, but being kind and generous are virtues.

So if you think that veganism is highly moral, you’d better tell me the plan to make everybody vegan, so everyone would have a sound sleep at night.

At this point I’m fully in support of “ask once, shoot twice (if you can get away with it)”. Glory to the armed animal resistance.

The article makes for a dramatic story, but otherwise offers no solution to the conundrum,

You didn’t read it. You so clearly didn’t read it

What to do? In 2012, researcher Kathyn Gillespie visited a livestock auction for her paper Witnessing Animal Others: Bearing Witness, Grief and the Political Function of Emotion. The experience showed an erasure so complete that, even with the suffering bang in front of them, the crowd saw nothing amiss. “The audience was filled with buyers and spectators talking cheerfully about the animals, prices, their farms and families,” writes Gillespie. “For humans who farm and are in the animal product industry, the auction is a jovial place where they can come together for some lighthearted banter and a meal in the auction canteen. The auction is not scripted as a place of human or animal grief. Animals’ lives and bodies in this space are thoroughly commodified, their suffering illegible to the accustomed observer, the violence against them made mundane through its regularity.“ (3)
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The campaigns by VIVA, Animal Aid and AJP are having an impact; activists and sanctuaries around the world are doing their best to rescue whoever they can. Academics such as Gillespie, Adams and Gruen are challenging worldviews. Activism, in all its different forms, works, telling the truths no one wants to hear, despite attracting often vitriolic pushback. Like I said, I became vegan when my daughter was seven. Body and soul, it’s the best decision I ever made, allowing me to live in alignment with my deepest held beliefs. If anyone asks me why (and no one ever does), this is what I’d like to say: I’m vegan because I reject all forms of erasure and domination. I’m vegan because animals are our kin, not our slaves. I’m vegan because I believe in the beauty of the natural world and all her beings. I’m vegan because I don’t believe people want to act against their better natures. I’m vegan because I stand in solidarity with all mothers. Remember the Mothers of Lowfields. Happy Mother’s Day.

Emphasis mine

not to mention that it barely relates to the topic, that , might i remind you, being “is veganism a virtue”

Another problem is that farm animals don’t talk much about their feelings, ro we can’t really know if we’re actually harming them, thus we can’t say whether we’re helping them by stopping the process

You fucking brought it up!! Jesus christ carnists are some of the most navel-gazing smuggest pieces of reddit-brained shits out there.

https://yourveganfallacyis.com/en/plants-are-alive/resources

Please read this and more importantly watch the material linked to see if you still think that “we can’t really know if we’re actually harming them”

https://www.theempathyproject.co.uk/magazine/the-mothers-of-dairy

Like I dont have time to get into all the different things going on with your post, it’s a lot, so lets focus on that one thing.

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But veganism isn’t widely accepted as a virtue, so who are we supposedly signaling to by being combative?

Edit: also you apparently agree that veganism is a virtue?

I really wish you people were as oppressed as you think you are

what do you think veganism is?

I don’t think I w

No issue, here is a good intro to Marxism if you want it https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/wage-labour/index.htm

Firstly, this concept only applies to means of production, as in the stuff that is used to produce stuff which could be sold. So e. g. a sewing machine.

Without getting into the weeds:

a. Personal: You own and operate the sewing machine, you pay for the resources consumed and own the item produced. (Good)

b. Private: You own the sewing machine but someone else operates it. You pay the resources consumed, the laborer a previously agreed upon amount and own the item they produced. (bad)

c. Public: the public owns the sewing machine and pays for the resources consumed. The laborer is paid the value of their work. That is, the value of the item produced minus the value of the resources consumed. (Very good)

How “the public” and “the value” are determined is the source of leftist infighting (anarchists vs marxist-leninist). But since both agree that private ownership needs to be abolished the call is for leftist unity to stand together against the people that currently own the means of production privately (the bourgeoisie) and exploit those that have to sell their laborforce in order to survive (the proletariat).

Right: in favor of privately owned means of production.
Left: in favor of publicly owned means of production.

Well he isn’t anymore 🥰