Can you get modern laser printers that work that way?

I recently tried setting up my hp p1102w to print from openwrt using p910nd, but can’t because it’s a “host based” printer, whatever that means.

Even in cups, it needs a special driver to get it to behave. Doesn’t even work out of the box on my Fedora install.

I bought it a couple years ago, second hand, because the toner is cheap, and if I don’t update the firmware, I can keep using aftermarket toner.

It has Wi-Fi, but sometimes it refuses to print from Linux or my phone, just randomly. Always works on Windows though 🤦‍♂️

My plan is to kill the Wi-Fi because I don’t trust it being so out of date anymore, and either plug it into my server or slap a rpi on the back with cups on the network. But it’s proving to be a painful experience.

Gotcha! No worries. Networking gets more and more like sorcery the deeper you go.

Networking and printers are my two least favorite computer things.

That makes sense. I haven’t used an ISP configured router in over a decade. At my parents house, their modem/router combo didn’t support bridge mode so I put it in a DMZ and slapped that to the WAN port on my router. Worked well.

Oh you mean DNS server, yes ok that makes sense. Yeah I totally understand running your own.

If I understand correctly, DHCP servers just assign local IPs on initial connection, and configure other stuff like pointing devices to the right DNS server, gateway, etc

Question, what’s the benefit of running a separate DHCP server?

I run openwrt, and the built in server seems fine? Why add complexity?

I’m sure there’s a good reason I’m just curious.

Same

This is an example of what an Internet service providers network might look like.

They use many different types of specialized computers and devices to connect your house (one of the grey rectangles) to the greater Internet (the yellow rectangle in the middle).

One person is arguing that instead of the Internet service provider owning all of the red green and blue computers… Other people would own them. And maybe the red computer for your neighborhood would physically be inside your neighbor’s house, instead of in a small building or box on the side of the road somewhere nearby.

Functionally, it’s the same Internet, regardless of who owns the red box. Though theoretically, it could be less safe to give random people, potentially bad actors, access to the physical computer that is the red box, because they could do something malicious with it. But the point is, if the technology is working correctly, it doesn’t matter who owns it, everyone’s private home networks (everything downstream of your grey rectangle), are kept separate.

Just like normal Internet, you can’t print on your neighbor’s network printer, just because you both have the same ISP and share the same red computer upstream somewhere. The red computer won’t let it happen.

Does that make sense?

Now, the concern of the other guy, it seems, comes from not understanding this. Not understanding that the red computers are specially configured by the ISP, or whoever owns it, to keep the grey rectangles separate.

What he might be thinking, is something similar to sharing your Wi-Fi password. Or maybe running an Ethernet cable over the fence and plugging your neighbor’s router into your router. Things start to get complicated here, so I’ll gloss over a lot of things, but essentially… Your home router is not configured like the red computers are. So all of your neighbors data would be going through your home network, and you could very likely see what he’s doing, and he could potentially see what you’re doing (provided there’s no double NAT, but even then I’m not sure, maybe).

Basically, if two or more neighbors want to share Internet, but don’t know how to do it safely, then they can expose their private network activity to each other and open each other up to a decent amount of risk.

The solution, is to configure your router in a similar way to the red computers. It’s complicated, but not that difficult in practice. You could Google VLANs to get an idea of what would need to be done. Honestly you’d need more than that, some good firewall rules, and more things that I’m not qualified to comment on. I’m not a networkologist. But it can be done.

The debate/argument stems from a basic misunderstanding of how these systems work. Or perhaps they both understand how they work, but the guy who doesn’t want to do it is just worried about his neighbors being untrustworthy with the hardware being in their house, worried they’ll be nefarious, but he’s just bad at communicating that idea to the other guy.

At any rate, it doesn’t matter who owns the red computers or the green or blue, if they’re configured correctly, you’re safe. Unless you don’t trust whoever owns the computers 🤷‍♂️

Hopefully that makes sense! Let me know if you have any questions!

This. Though theoretically you could do it without CGNAT, maybe some type of complex vlan arrangement? I’m not sure, I’m not a networkologist.

I do know that I just got fiber down my road from a smaller company, still a big multi state company, but not Comcast or charter big. I called them because I was worried about CGNAT for my self hosting. The salesman didn’t know what I was talking about, which is disappointing but not surprising. But they forwarded me to the tech guys, who also claimed to not know what I was talking about… Which was either a downright lie, or they were idiots, either way it’s very concerning.

The price was right though, $5 cheaper per month, for 10 times faster download, and 30 times faster upload. So I gave it a shot. Thankfully I’m not behind a CGNAT, yet 🤞

Finally set up my proxmox server, been procrastinating for a year. Thought on a whim, “I’m only using 2 of my 4 slots, and I could benefit from a bit more RAM. It’s DDR4, can’t be that expensive”.

Yeah… It was that expensive. More expensive than when I bought the stuff originally when this computer was new.

The lan thing makes sense, I could see that. Still an impressive amount of patch cables, if true. Plus those adapters are cheap but not dirt cheap, right?

As for turning WiFi on and off, that could work too, didn’t think of that. But I feel like maybe not? Surely the apps would complain or get suspicious of only connecting to make a quick comment and then disconnecting again, every single time. Or maybe not.

I just imagine companies trying to fight this somehow, and that would be a suspicious fingerprint.

Don’t know why you’re getting down voted. It is indeed impressive that all those WiFi radios are working that close together. There’s another wall of phones behind it, double! Probably more in the room too.

There’s gotta be 100 phones on that first wall alone, plus double it, so 200. More in the room? Other rooms? Hundreds of phones, all screaming out WiFi, trying to connect.

From a networking perspective, impressive indeed. Those phones must hate life.

+1 for bluefin. I’m actually running that on my own laptop. Fw13, it’s been rock solid, which is exactly what I wanted.

Legitimately. Fedora Bluefin here. Giving the atomic thing a try 😁

“Cooling disabled until product removed”

Ice and water fun a fridge is a luxury, but a nice luxury, and requires zero computers to do it

13/14 for me. Thinkpad 600 😎

I was around 13 for my first Linux install. Good times. Think pad 600, what a classic.

If I could have that exact same machine, with modern specs, I’d be hard pressed to use anything else. The nostalgia alone… So good.

There are dozens of us

Induction is so good. I have a glass top electric, but I bought a single burner induction for setting on the counter, and that thing is crazy.

My only complaints are coil ring/whine with my laminated steel pans, and also it’s too powerful, with not enough resolution in the lower power range.

It has 8 power levels. I use level 3 for making smash burgers (I put the whole thing on the porch to keep the grease/smoke outside. I don’t have a range vent), and it’s just a little too hot for that. Like a Blackstone grill on full blast.

Level 2 is just a little too cool for proper smash burgers.

Level 8 is insane, boils water practically instantly. When I first tried making smash burgers with it, I started at level 5 or 6, and literally burned the outside of the patties like charcoal. I didn’t notice because I was upwind of the “steam” which was actually a horrible smoke. Ruined the first couple of patties before getting it dialed in.

Induction is ridiculously efficient. All 1500w straight into the pan and nowhere else.

I still recommend it though, it’s the future. Under glass coils are annoying to cook with. You get used to it, but eh. Gas just makes the house hot and stinky, burns your pan handles and spoon/spatula handles, and makes my family’s asthma act up. I’ll never go gas again.

I’m on boost too. Let’s find out, here’s a picture uploaded using the built in function.

Well I’ll be darned, I thought it was using imgur, but I guess it’s straight to the instance. Neat.