Ahh yes, very interesting.

It’s barely recognizable if you look at it as BSD. People like to say that ChromeOS is not “acktually” Linux, but MacOS is waaayyyyy further from BSD than ChromeOS is to Linux.

It kinda felt like you were gonna break into song about the Year of the BSD Desktop for a second there!

It’s the same with work tbh… Lots of companies have big contracts with Red Hat but the only option for their employees is Windows.

I understand the logic behind it, but it still feels dumb.

People are sharks for argument on forums like this.

You’re preoccupied with this French revolutionary definition of leftism as the ultimate sieve for what makes a leftist and I’m trying to make a point that today’s leftism is a movement that isn’t capable of self-criticism because it’s become a religious movement as opposed to a political one. Things change, we don’t live in revolutionary France.

I feel like we’re talking past each other here… I wish the vulkan mind meld was a real thing so we can actually get somewhere with this.

The word dishonest implies premeditation. I don’t think today’s leftists are evil or dumb. I think the hardcore leftists are in a well-intentioned trap that creates a dangerous and frankly annoying “us vs. them” mentality in which they are convinced, beyond rationale, that they are doing good, which is all that really matters to them.

It creates a left=moral good paradigm in their heads. Where, like I said, the left can’t do anything wrong because the left=good.

I mean, look at how they talk about centrists, who are not really their enemy. They’re supposed to be the people you try to persuade, but the left has gone so religiously dogmatic that even centrists are almost as bad as Nazis (e.i. right-wingers)

Look, I’m fundamentally with you. The right-wing is capable of terrible, horrific things. They’re more dangerous historically. You’ll get no argument from me man. Some of it makes me sick. I believe that morals and values should be a part of politics too. I’m no stranger to leftism either, I was extremely interested in it for quite a while.

But I know a trap when I see it. Clearly something is going here, fucking socio-economics is becoming a religion.

I never disputed your link on the origins of the term.

All I said is that it seems very convenient that the left cannot and never has done anything wrong other than not being left enough. You’re either completely benevolent or you’re not a leftist, by definition.

There is no act that can’t be waived away as being “not actually left-wing.”

Yes, people that aren’t “equipped” with an all-emcompassing ideology that conveniently defines their whole worldview for an immediate opinion on everything or that don’t happen to have vehement feelings on the issue-of-the-day are literally peasants amirite?

Seems like every time the left is accused of anything, it’s never actually the left that did it. It’s always some nefarious actor. The left cannot and never has done anything wrong… except for not being left enough, of course.

But that’s textbook authoritarianism. Nobody will willingly give away their life’s work to what will, in practice, be the state.

Personally, the cunts that would lump me in with white supremacists because I have a Don’t Tread On Me license plate aren’t worth the effort to appease. They’d have to be brainwashed themselves.

Young people indoctrinated to socially pressure their peers into following a strict moral code. The parallels are so on-the-nose that it’s almost funny.

I don’t think it was ever actually co-opted. I think people saw some bearded redneck wear it as a cape in a picture above an article a couple times and then the Internet left decided it was a Nazi symbol.

The Confederate flag has a 100% legitimate argument for being a symbol of hate. The Gadsden Flag is a part of our nation’s founding ideal.