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  • This is like the “there are some responsible assault rifle owners” argument. Although corporations are not required by law to maximize investor returns, CEO “compensation” is often tied to “performance” so the incentives of those with the most decision power make it de facto required to maximize returns to investors. That’s why Musk needed to convince his board of directors (who are there to represent the best interests of the share holders) to approve some ridiculous pay package. His “performance” in their eyes is proportional to share holder profits so if they’re happy, he gets his absurd pay package, which is why his incentive is to maximize profits for shareholders by any means necessary.



  • Don’t you do some background checks on the sources you read & quote? Or do you tend to follow the herd? Here’s some info from Wikipedia on the founder & president of NGO Monitor, Gerald Steinberg:

    Yehudit Karp, a former Israeli deputy attorney general, charged that Steinberg published material he knew to be wrong “along with some manipulative interpretation”.[21]

    Reporter Uriel Heilman said that Steinberg played “fast and loose” with the facts by repeating comments about the New Israel Fund that Steinberg knew were untrue. In response, Steinberg acknowledged that some of his reports were poorly phrased and promised to correct them.[22]

    In The Jerusalem Post, Kenneth Roth wrote that Steinberg shows a “disregard for basic facts” when writing about human rights.

    Imagine how hateful and depraved you would have to be to pay tons of money to Google Ads to promote your page and agenda to deceptively block people from donating money to those in need. That’s NGO Monitor and that’s what you’re supporting.

    Edit: I’m sure you’re also very interested to find out the facts behind Israel’s accusations of UNRWA workers so here’s the latest:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/22/israel-unrwa-staff-terrorist-links-yet-to-provide-evidence-colonna-report


  • Yes and check the page of the founder & president of NGO Monitor, Gerald Steinberg:

    Yehudit Karp, a former Israeli deputy attorney general, charged that Steinberg published material he knew to be wrong “along with some manipulative interpretation”.[21]

    Reporter Uriel Heilman said that Steinberg played “fast and loose” with the facts by repeating comments about the New Israel Fund that Steinberg knew were untrue. In response, Steinberg acknowledged that some of his reports were poorly phrased and promised to correct them.[22]

    In The Jerusalem Post, Kenneth Roth wrote that Steinberg shows a “disregard for basic facts” when writing about human rights.




  • That’s such a weird take. I mean you’re right, that is exactly the argument, but it doesn’t hold any water. To defend against Hamas attacks, Israel would need a huge border fence (check), a vastly superior military (check), constant surveillance on Gaza (check), Iron Dome (check), and even morally questionable methods like full control over the Palestinian population registry to track criminals (check). The fact that they had all those and still failed self-defense just adds to the argument that killing tens of thousands of civilians and destroying the majority of civilian infrastructure (while making the vast majority unusable) and completely debilitating the medical infrastructure and blocking humanitarian aid (also via criminal methods) and

    Killing members of the group; (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; © Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part

    is actually genocide.





  • Already in the 1920s the Labor movement disregarded its socialist roots and concentrated on building the nation by constructive action. According to Tzahor its leaders did not “abandon fundamental ideological principles”.[15] However, according to Ze’ev Sternhell in his book The Founding Myths of Israel, the labor leaders had already abandoned socialist principles by 1920 and only used them as “mobilizing myths”.

    From the page Dataprolet linked.



  • Thanks for finally putting up a link. It doesn’t mention anything about Zionism, though, but a few links in it does say that

    Zadoc Kahn presented the German Jewish philanthropist Baron Maurice de Hirsch with the project of setting up a Jewish settlement in Argentina, before JCA was created in 1891. Theodor Herzl considered it expensive and unrealistic. In 1896, when Hirsch died, the association owned a thousand square kilometers of land in the country on which lived a thousand households, the “Jewish gauchos”. It focused on agricultural settlements in Argentina until East European Jews were forbidden to emigrate there. In 1920, 150,000 Jews lived in Argentina[8] and new settlements appeared: (Lapin, Rivera), Entre Ríos (San Gregorio, Villa Domínguez, Carmel, Ingeniero Sajaroff, Villa Clara, and Villaguay),[9] and Santa Fe (Moisés Ville) (about 64% Jews lived in Entre Ríos.)[10]

    Please remember that Jewish immigrants != Zionism and that Zionism is not the same a Judaism.



  • Thanks for the additional context.

    Well, about Ariel Sharon (from Wikipedia)

    An official enquiry found that he bore “personal responsibility” for the Sabra and Shatila massacre of Palestinian refugees, for which he became known as the “Butcher of Beirut” among Arabs. He was subsequently removed as defense minister.

    And Begin

    was described by the British government as the “leader of the notorious terrorist organisation”.

    And there was a famous open letter published (the one signed by Einstein, among others) that

    described Begin’s Herut party as “terrorist, right-wing chauvinist organization in Palestine,”[34] “closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties” and accused his group (along with the smaller, militant, Stern Gang) of preaching “racial superiority” and having “inaugurated a reign of terror in the Palestine Jewish community”.

    And those guys held the highest government office of Israel! It might be weird but it’s not uncommon, especially if you look into other government posts too. Like I said, the more you look into it the worse it gets.

    Edit: another example

    In 1915, Pinhas Felix Rosenblüth, who rose to be Israel’s first Justice Minister, wrote in a field report on Ostjuden published in Der Jüdische Student that the great lesson for young Jewish Zionists fighting on the eastern front, on experiencing delusions at what they observe of Jewish life there, was that Palestine was one large “institute for the fumigation of (all) Jewish vermin” (Große Entlausungsanstalt für alles jüdische Ungeziefer).