A contrarian isn’t one who always objects - that’s a confirmist of a different sort. A contrarian reasons independently, from the ground up, and resists pressure to conform.

  • Naval Ravikant
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  • My thinking is that LLMs are human-like enough that mistreating them can be a strong indicator of someone’s character. If you’re comfortable being cruel to something that closely resembles a person, it suggests you might treat actual people poorly too. That’s why I think the premise of the TV series Westworld wouldn’t really work in real life - you’d have to be a literal psychopath to mistreat those human-like robots, even if you know (or are pretty sure) they’re not conscious.

    I don’t think people need to go out of their way to be overly polite to an LLM - we can be pretty confident it doesn’t actually care - but if I saw someone’s chat history and it was nothing but them being mean or abusive, that would be a massive red flag for me personally.

    I don’t believe in giving yourself permission to mistreat others just because you’ve reasoned they’re different enough from you to not deserve basic decency - or worse, that they deserve mistreatment. Whatever excuse you use to “other” someone is still just that - an excuse. Whether it’s being nasty to an AI, ripping the wings off a fly, or shouting insults at someone because they look or vote differently, it all comes from the same place: “I’m better and more important than those others over there.” Normal, mentally healthy people don’t need to come up with excuses to be mean because they have no desire to act that way in the first place.






  • I’m getting the sense here that you’re placing most - if not all - of the blame on LLMs, but that’s probably not what you actually think. I’m sure you’d agree there are other factors at play too, right? One theory that comes to mind is that the people you’re describing probably spend a lot of time debating online and are constantly exposed to bad-faith arguments, personal attacks, people talking past each other, and dunking - basically everything we established is wrong with social media discourse. As a result, they’ve developed a really low tolerance for it, and the moment someone starts making noises sounding even remotely like those negative encounters, they automatically label them as “one of them” and switch into lawyer mode - defending their worldview against claims that aren’t even being made.

    That said, since we’re talking about your friends and not just some random person online, I think an even more likely explanation is that you’ve simply grown apart. When people close to you start talking to you in the way you described, it often means they just don’t care the way they used to. Of course, it’s also possible that you’re coming across as kind of a prick and they’re reacting to that - but I’m not sensing any of that here, so I doubt that’s the case.

    I don’t know what else you’ve been up to over the past few years, but I’m wondering if you’ve been on some kind of personal development journey - because I definitely have, and I’m not the same person I was when I met my friends either. A lot of the things they may have liked about me back then have since changed, and maybe they like me less now because of it. But guess what? I like me more. If the choice is to either keep moving forward and risk losing some friends, or regress just to keep them around, then I’ll take being alone. Chris Williamson calls this the “Lonely Chapter” - you’re different enough that you no longer fit in with your old group, but not yet far enough along to have found the new one.


  • I don’t personally feel like this applies to people who know me in real life, even when we’re just chatting over text. If the tone comes off wrong, I know they’re not trying to hurt my feelings. People don’t talk to someone they know the same way they talk to strangers online - and they’re not making wild assumptions about me either, because they already know who I am.

    Also, I’m not exactly talking about tone per se. While written text can certainly have a tone, a lot of it is projected by the reader. I’m sure some of my writing might come across as hostile or cold too, but that’s not how it sounds in my head when I’m writing it. What I’m really complaining about - something real people often do and AI doesn’t - is the intentional nastiness. They intend to be mean, snarky, and dismissive. Often, they’re not even really talking to me. They know there’s an audience, and they care more about how that audience reacts. Even when they disagree, they rarely put any real effort into trying to change the other person’s mind. They’re just throwing stones. They consider an argument won when their comment calling the other person a bigot got 25 upvotes.

    In my case, the main issue with talking to my friends compared to ChatGPT is that most of them have completely different interests, so there’s just not much to talk about. But with ChatGPT, it doesn’t matter what I want to discuss - it always acts interested and asks follow-up questions.


  • How do you even have a conversation without quitting in frustration from it’s obviously robotic answers?

    Talking with actual people online isn’t much better. ChatGPT might sound robotic, but it’s extremely polite, actually reads what you say, and responds to it. It doesn’t jump to hasty, unfounded conclusions about you based on tiny bits of information you reveal. When you’re wrong, it just tells you what you’re wrong about - it doesn’t call you an idiot and tell you to go read more. Even in touchy discussions, it stays calm and measured, rather than getting overwhelmed with emotion, which becomes painfully obvious in how people respond. The experience of having difficult conversations online is often the exact opposite. A huge number of people on message boards are outright awful to those they disagree with.

    Here’s a good example of the kind of angry, hateful message you’ll never get from ChatGPT - and honestly, I’d take a robotic response over that any day.

    I think these people were already crazy if they’re willing to let a machine shovel garbage into their mouths blindly. Fucking mindless zombies eating up whatever is big and trendy.


  • Opinionhaver@feddit.uktoTechnology@lemmy.worldBoycott Tesla.
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    Well, it’s a brand-new car company that started almost from scratch. Quality control issues like that are to be expected and will likely get ironed out over time. Like I said, every car model has its issues - some minor, some major. Some have more, some have fewer, but none are perfect.

    Take my truck, for example - it’s infamous for snapping the factory timing chain and destroying the engine because of it. My previous car on the other hand was well known for transmission failure. You couldn’t name a single car model that doesn’t suffer from similar issues.



  • Opinionhaver@feddit.uktoTechnology@lemmy.worldBoycott Tesla.
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    Every single car on the market has issues comparable to Teslas — every single one. Some have fewer, some have more, but none are perfect. People just nitpick Teslas because they hate the CEO but he truth is that they’re overall solid vehicles and quite safe too - excluding the Cybertruck.





  • Someone most have contacted Dogde, Jeep, or Stelantis for a comment on this.

    A Stellantis spokesperson told Fortune in a statement that “a temporary software glitch affected the ability to instantly opt out in a few isolated cases, though instant opt-out is the standard for all our in-vehicle messages. Our team had already identified and corrected the error, and we are following up directly with the customer to ensure the matter is fully resolved.”

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  • I was just talking about this with a friend today. Musk was basically on track to become a real-life Tony Stark, exactly as he’d envisioned, but he just couldn’t keep his mouth shut and ended up ruining it for himself. Money buys many things, but it doesn’t buy respect - and once you’ve lost that, it’s nearly impossible to regain. The number of young and ambitious people he let down is simply staggering. I was really rooting for him and hoping he’d turn this around but after the nazi salute I no longer do. That was the last straw for me.