And like I said before, this is typical 101 cop out. You say something stupid, and when you’re proven wrong, the other guy becomes a troll.

Yeah, again, no shits given.

I don’t think anyone even records this stuff in Venezuela or Syria anymore, and due to corruption no one cares. You have no idea how chaotic things are there. I know people there who got shot and never got even picked up for weeks because no one dares to cross that street anymore. The stories are horrifying.

Please stop making excuses. Once you have no more food, clean water, electricity, and persistent hyper-inflation, then let’s have that discussion again.

The irony I see here is that people keep saying that Norway is amazing socialism and everyone should do that in the US… I’m not from the US for the record. Let’s not get into that discussion, but it’s just an ironic thing coming to mind.

I’m not saying that every indivudal is having a hunky dory rosy life. Compared to many in the world, your life is still better. I’m all for discussing individual problems, but not the stupidity of “feel bad for me because we had 4 crises”. I complained about health care in Europe repeatedly because it’s a joke. I would’ve died too, btw. I was saved outside of Europe, luckily, by sheer coincidence.

And btw, your grandma would’ve died even earlier in Syria or Venezuela. Sorry for your loss. But you still have it better than others, and I’m absolutely not against discussing problems that affect society, instead of complaining about vapid, fabricated non-issues just to feel bad for a “generation”, like 4 crises. People in other countries wish they have 10% of what you have.

You can complain about individual problems where we can discuss solutions, no problem. But this whole “4 crises” trend that has been going on for like a month is the stupidest thing I’ve ever seen. It’s not constructive, and very stupid, because if we’re gonna talk macro economics, the majority of westerners live a lavish lifestyle compared to others in the world. However, that doesn’t mean there aren’t individual people who have problems, like yourself. So, talk about your individual problem (student loans, dating market, crunches in jobs, work/life balance, etc), and don’t complain about the macro situation. it doesn’t make any sense.

101 cop out strategy.

1. Say something stupid.
2. Say “you’re a troll” to everyone who disagrees to look cool.

Nice try. Zero shits given.

No, OP should not post that they’re miserable or whatever because they had “4 crises”. This is an improvement even compared to 200 years ago. Only baby boomers were so lucky not to have so much problems. Almost every other generation before had it worse + almost every other country in the world has it worse. OP’s complaint shows that they don’t appreciate the good life they have, despite the “crises” that happened, compared to the majority of humanity, whether in this time or in history.

It’s not like you’re racing to the top, because that’d be admirable. You’re complaining for dumb reasons that fall in the big picture. You have my support to race to the top, it’s called “life”, but all I see is complaining. Again: You’re living in the top echelon of humanity both in space and time, literally, yet you think you’re oppressed. That’s what brats do.

I’m not here to “engage” with these brats. I’m just here to tell them they’re stupid and annoying. That’s me doing my part. If enough people did that, I assure you this will stop. But everyone is a coward and wants to pet them “ooooh, you poor baby… you’re not having enough BigMacs and you’re not obese enough”.

So now you’re gonna twist my argument to prove that you’re as miserable as people in Syria and Venezuela. Nice try.

Brats. That’s all there’s to you. You should be ashamed of yourselves to even dare to respond to me. The right answer is “you’re right, we’re the top of the top in the world”, and then you shut your mouth and never bring up this topic ever again. This whole state of complaining is just annoying! Go to Venezuela and complain all day and you have my support. Unbelievable! I don’t believe there’s someone arguing still.

Olympics? You’re the top of the top on the planet in wealth. Your smartphone feeds a family for a month in most of earth. Stop complaining!

which is a toxic take

You’re using the word “toxic” to say that you don’t like my opinion. Booho. Cry me a river. Your username says a lot about you and explains why your brain cannot comprehend a disagreement.

You haven’t lost a leg. You haven’t lost anything. You’re amongst the richest people on the fucking planet with the most luxurious lifestyles with a smart phone that costs a month’s income for a family in most of the world if not more. You never had to sleep hungry or lived in the dark because you can’t pay for electricity, so give me a break. You’re just a brat. That’s all. Brat. Annoying, ignorant, spoiled brat who cannot appreciate the good stuff they have.

Does the argument work in reverse as in “you can’t be happy, others have it better”?

My argument works as: You’re part of the richest people on earth. Shut up and enjoy it.

Go look at people in Syria or Venezuela who can barely find food. You’re just a bunch of annoying spoiled brats. You need to struggle to find food, clear water and electricity to learn what struggle means. You need to try to rush your grandma to the hospital and see her die in your car in your arms, because of army gates blocking the way, to know the value of the luxury you’re living at.

You’ll never realize the blessing you’re enjoying until you lose it. Grow up and learn to be thankful you have a full belly and warm water.

Yeah… right. People will stop being lazy even though they can be, and will just work day and night to benefit others. Very convincing. I've seen all kinds of people who were put in cushy cushion jobs for decades and didn't learn shit. Never heard of boomers?

Under capitalism, you can do the bare minimum, but a job cut will always hit you first if you make yourself worthless to the company. Is it perfect? No. But the incentive is clear, at least.

Until everyone fights what "rights" are, which is kind of the problem everywhere. You have a picture of these rights, which are pink and rosy. I believe you have good intention. But you have to imagine an contentious environment where everyone will disagree with you to maximize their gain, and minimize their effort. Any system you put in place and anything you define as rights will be malleable and will be up for thousands of debates, and eventually you'll be the dictator for setting up a system that you think will work. Back to square one.

This is why I said it's opinion. I got my answer. You agree with firing people. Good enough for me for now. Others don't.

Well, I don't think you can use written laws to fight human plans to centralize power. I guess our current system is proof of that. People will always find a way to centralize that power to benefit themselves and their groups.

But anyway. I guess we're getting into a dead end. This is becoming opinion stuff at this point, whether this will work. I'll have to think more about this stuff.

Humans will be humans wherever they go.

But to summarize. You basically want to wreck the current system on the basis that everyone will be diligent, reading all the time, just for the "greater good", more so than their own profit.

And btw, about the "bare minimum". No one has a reason to not do the bare minimum as they don't get fired (consequences). There will always be the lazy guy who does the bare minimum, and everyone will get lazier because they'll get jealous with zero consequences.

Because the fraction of the current world that reads every day and learns every day is extremely small. Again, like I said before, how many people around you come back from work and want to read technical books and watch courses instead of chilling, or hanging out with friends? I have two friends who are nut jobs like me and work all the time. EVERYONE else is lazy and just wants to have fun after work, and that's in my circle. This spans over decades in the different jobs and sectors I worked at, in different countries. Do you have a different experience around you? I have trouble convincing people to read for 30 minutes every day.

Are you trying to argue that the majority of people watch educational videos in their free time and read technical books and prefer that over hanging out?

Agreed. It's a nepotism problem. I'm just drawing the picture that removing money from the picture basically makes relationships the new currency. It's basically how life used to be a long time ago, and those who were closer to the leader got better jobs with perks. People will always find a way to benefit and will centralize power eventually. I can't say much about hypotheticals and whether your coop will fix that, but in my opinion, history suggests that we'll just end up with a new system of power.

OK, at least we agree we can fire people. That answers my question. The circumstances aren't important. This idea that people can't be fired is just ridiculous.

Do you think communities will be happy seeing their friends/family being fired, and not understanding why? This actually reminds me of the movie Casino (1995), where Robert De Niro fires that Texan guy for incompetence, and then hell breaks loose due to relatives not understanding how that works. This is human nature. People will always prefer to keep an incompetent relative vs firing them for a good reason, no matter what.

I haven't said that people have to be fired to maintain competitive growth. I said that assuming a normal/average growth (and let's even make it simpler for you and ignore growth), and assuming a breakthrough requires many new people to hired to work with a new technology, then the people who are there and who aren't interested in learning the new way of doing things, will just become a burden to the company. Let's do the math:

• More people are hired
• Same output is maintained

Let's do the 5th grade math: Same output / More people = less earner per person every time this happens

Meaning: If this trend continuous due to multiple breakthroughs (which isn't crazy, we have seen tons of those in the last 25 years in different sectors), then this company is destined to become bankrupt, especially because people will continuously keep earning less with no lower-bound to that other zero, to the point where it's not enough to make a living.

Nothing you said answers this dilemma. You keep talking about general things and avoid this (very realistic) scenario that keeps happening. How will such a company survive?