This isnt right, mostly because facebook was never great.
Reddit was great, but it could have been so much better. They left so much money on the table that users would have happily given them but they just kept missing the point and taking the site marching towards being of mediocre appeal to as many people as possible.
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There was a period of time that I had numerous relatives who literally could not navigate the internet outside of facebook.
The wife of a cousin would literally start her session at the computer by typing “facebook” into google and then clicking the top result. That search on google in lieu of bookmarking it or typing facebook.com or literally any other way of getting to the site was the one thing she did on the internet that was not internal to facebook. FOR YEARS.
And yes I’m old, but I’m not that old. We’re talking Gen-X.
During that odd period where the web was getting more sophisticated but people still joked about needing their twelve year old relative to fix their computer for them, many, MANY people thought facebook was great.
It was the same period of time when Apple was pushing hard on “Buy our very expensive, sleek looking, low-value, walled garden computers and everyone will know what a trendy creative counterculture person you are” as their marketing approach.
It was always going to go that way. Any social media site is going to go that way.
Even Lemmy will one day go that way.
Here’s the program:
Build a platform that people like using.
As more people use it, the creators will need more money to keep it up.
Realize there’s much monies to be had.
Hire marketing and sales people
The platform becomes a company, sell to the highest bidder.
The platform implements algorithms that make them more money.
The algorithms make people hate the site.
Do many unpopular things to kick out the real content creators that once made the platform thrive.
The company is left with casual users that don’t know anything about the platform, they’re just there to find out what burger joint to go to in San Antonio or which caulk is best to use for an outdoor shower.
The company is very successful because they can push anything to the casual user and they will accept it as advice instead of what it really is - ads or algorithms to enrage them (because thats where the real money is - social media platforms keep you online longer if they piss you off)
Make huge profits for a while then become a latter-day digg
Sure they can, but how long will their “just for the fun of it” mentality last when AWS bills are thousands of dollars and Taco Bell offers them $6 million for control of it?
Would they even tell us or would we just start seeing a bunch of Tacos Locos ads on hot?
I’m betting a non-disclosure would the first thing they’d have to sign.
I think eventually what we will see is companies hosting their own official instances where they have absolute admin/moderation privileges (which is bad) but they will wind up paying to host their own propaganda/tech support which is good. Probably governments too, which sounds like it sucks but they have a twitter and facebook pages already so its really no different.
Its not about welcoming it, we literally cant stop them from doing it. The only thing you can do is join instances that dont federate with corporate instances and thats where the schism will likely happen.
Volkswagen-Audi Group (VAG) wont want to federate with instances that also host hentai and cuck porn. So you will see a divide, between the corporate and heavily administrated instances (Administration that would cost money. Either adds, sponsorship or paid membership that you would let your kids have accounts on and “Free Fediverse” instances that would be far less restrictive.
Eventually the masses will want to follow the corporate and sanitised fediverse because these people have marketing budgets and can pay teams (have AI) generate content for their brand and the “free fediverse” instances will become the fringe groups.
But in all seriousness, even if they claim to not be affiliated with a corp, you still can’t be sure. God knows a lot of us would sell out faster than reel big fish if they pulled a dump truck of money to our front door.
Thats the thing, they wont have to pretend not to be. If all the big corporate instances federate with each other and only federate with instances that moderate their content to be largely in line with meta and their instance when that group has 2 billion members, it will be the default.
Free user owned instances will be isolated pockets of resistance. If the “reddit blackout” and the continual survival of facebook and twitter is any indication, casual users just dont care.
This isnt right, mostly because facebook was never great.
Reddit was great, but it could have been so much better. They left so much money on the table that users would have happily given them but they just kept missing the point and taking the site marching towards being of mediocre appeal to as many people as possible.
> > > This isnt right, mostly because facebook was never great. > >
There was a period of time that I had numerous relatives who literally could not navigate the internet outside of facebook.
The wife of a cousin would literally start her session at the computer by typing “facebook” into google and then clicking the top result. That search on google in lieu of bookmarking it or typing facebook.com or literally any other way of getting to the site was the one thing she did on the internet that was not internal to facebook. FOR YEARS.
And yes I’m old, but I’m not that old. We’re talking Gen-X.
During that odd period where the web was getting more sophisticated but people still joked about needing their twelve year old relative to fix their computer for them, many, MANY people thought facebook was great.
It was the same period of time when Apple was pushing hard on “Buy our very expensive, sleek looking, low-value, walled garden computers and everyone will know what a trendy creative counterculture person you are” as their marketing approach.
It was always going to go that way. Any social media site is going to go that way.
Even Lemmy will one day go that way.
Here’s the program:
Is it possible to commercialize lemmy?
How is Lemmy paying for the servers they need to serve content? I have no idea, but someone is footing the bill.
I think some of the larger instances accept user donations. And smaller instances are just paid for by the owner.
does it matter? can’t people do anything for the love of the game anymore?
Sure they can, but how long will their “just for the fun of it” mentality last when AWS bills are thousands of dollars and Taco Bell offers them $6 million for control of it?
Would they even tell us or would we just start seeing a bunch of Tacos Locos ads on hot?
I’m betting a non-disclosure would the first thing they’d have to sign.
I think eventually what we will see is companies hosting their own official instances where they have absolute admin/moderation privileges (which is bad) but they will wind up paying to host their own propaganda/tech support which is good. Probably governments too, which sounds like it sucks but they have a twitter and facebook pages already so its really no different.
Interesting. I’d welcome something like cable where companies would host content to push their brands.
Its not about welcoming it, we literally cant stop them from doing it. The only thing you can do is join instances that dont federate with corporate instances and thats where the schism will likely happen.
Volkswagen-Audi Group (VAG) wont want to federate with instances that also host hentai and cuck porn. So you will see a divide, between the corporate and heavily administrated instances (Administration that would cost money. Either adds, sponsorship or paid membership that you would let your kids have accounts on and “Free Fediverse” instances that would be far less restrictive.
Eventually the masses will want to follow the corporate and sanitised fediverse because these people have marketing budgets and can pay teams (have AI) generate content for their brand and the “free fediverse” instances will become the fringe groups.
For uh science, which servers host hentai?
But in all seriousness, even if they claim to not be affiliated with a corp, you still can’t be sure. God knows a lot of us would sell out faster than reel big fish if they pulled a dump truck of money to our front door.
But seriously I need some fediverse porn.
Thats the thing, they wont have to pretend not to be. If all the big corporate instances federate with each other and only federate with instances that moderate their content to be largely in line with meta and their instance when that group has 2 billion members, it will be the default.
Free user owned instances will be isolated pockets of resistance. If the “reddit blackout” and the continual survival of facebook and twitter is any indication, casual users just dont care.
Meta seems to be trying to commercialize ActivityPub, so maybe???