American democrats need a Hungarian-style landslide to overwhelm Trump’s attempts to rig November’s midterm elections, says Guardian columnist Timothy Garton Ash
I’m reading this comment section and shaking my head.
I mean, Democrats deserve a lot of crap, and I have and will continue to give them crap, but we’re in primary season. I seriously don’t get the nihilism and defeatism about a primary. If you want any option in the general, now’s your time to vote for who you actually want the most.
How did NYC get Mamdani? Was it burning our vote or discouraging people from voting because the establishment Dems and billionaires wanted freaking Cuomo, and woe is us because the fix is in? No, it was taking a stand and believing that you can make it happen.
We’ll have different debates in the general since I’m sure progressives won’t win every primary. But right now is the time to send Santa your wish list and stop dooming.
The LemmyLeft can’t compromise. Violent revolution where workers throw off the chains of their oppressors and remake all financial systems overnight or nothing at all.
No they’re not russian bots whatever would give you that idea.
I’m pretty left from an ideological perspective - universal free healthcare, state-owned or funded basic necessities, food and safety nets, guaranteed worker protections, eliminate billionaires and restore sane worker wages through sane tax and maximum employee/ceo pay multipliers, public-funded childcare services, free or nearly-entirely state-funded tuition through at least college. That cost is a drop in the bucket compared to what we spend on war and pork barrel. And the way you get there is by taking steps toward it to eventually get there.
If one’s position is all-or-nothing or that democrats are ineffectual so they’re equally bad and therefore we must oppose both, that’s basically saying to move from point A to point B, we must teleport rather than walk or drive or take the train. That ensures we never get there… because that metaphorical teleportation is fiction, and no, setting the world on fire doesn’t magically create incentives or conditions that in any way help discover teleportation.
I think we can all remember being in our late teens/early 20s and expecting everything to change now, because something something “my generation” and because now I can vote, and politicians better pay attention to the young people, etc., but then most of us tend to grow out of this position.
Unfortunately there is a certain type that definitely does zero self-reflection, has no pragmatism or awareness of how the real world works, etc. and stubbornly sticks to this myopic (and frankly, rather selfish) viewpoint, and even worse, try to encourage others to either be apathetic or throw away their votes.
If you didn’t experience Boing Boing’s descent in ridiculously cartoonish hyper-partisan more-leftist-than-thou purity testing and virtual struggle sessions/Oppression Olympics before they took the comments behind a paywall (! lol. rotflmao, even), it was really quite something. I’m sure that kind of thing has been repeated elsewhere, but this was quite public.
You can still see the old comments, by the way. I would try to find some older thread that perfectly demonstrates this absurd “leftist” circle jerk/circular firing squad, but since they tended to excise anything that made them look stupid (quite easy by the way), one would have to a lot of reading between the lines about what happened after their Stalin squad got done with things.
At least here, there is not an insane cadre of mods and prominent commenters running the place like a Mean Girls spinoff…here, I tend to block the moronic people that want to play the terminally online communist armchair theorists. I went to college; I had my fill of their utopian boring bullshit back then and don’t need lectures from them on how to do leftism properly now, either.
We still seem to have a lot of “both sides are the same” mentality here, as if there aren’t shades of evil out there.
People who still think that after the past 19 months are either complicit with the destruction, severely uninformed (or lacking real perspective), or are letting perfect be the enemy of good. We can critisize (and we should) the DNC while also realizinig their vote is the quicket way to stop the further slide into fascism. If we can find a progressive or DSA or whatnot, even better. But not all races will have those.
Bothsiderism will be the death of civilization. Unfortunately, the corporate media has done a lot to build this and to continue to prop it up. There is a lot of money behind the effort to get people to check out.
I’m reading this comment section and shaking my head.
I mean, Democrats deserve a lot of crap, and I have and will continue to give them crap, but we’re in primary season. I seriously don’t get the nihilism and defeatism about a primary. If you want any option in the general, now’s your time to vote for who you actually want the most.
How did NYC get Mamdani? Was it burning our vote or discouraging people from voting because the establishment Dems and billionaires wanted freaking Cuomo, and woe is us because the fix is in? No, it was taking a stand and believing that you can make it happen.
We’ll have different debates in the general since I’m sure progressives won’t win every primary. But right now is the time to send Santa your wish list and stop dooming.
The LemmyLeft can’t compromise. Violent revolution where workers throw off the chains of their oppressors and remake all financial systems overnight or nothing at all.
No they’re not russian bots whatever would give you that idea.
Yeah, I really don’t understand.
I’m pretty left from an ideological perspective - universal free healthcare, state-owned or funded basic necessities, food and safety nets, guaranteed worker protections, eliminate billionaires and restore sane worker wages through sane tax and maximum employee/ceo pay multipliers, public-funded childcare services, free or nearly-entirely state-funded tuition through at least college. That cost is a drop in the bucket compared to what we spend on war and pork barrel. And the way you get there is by taking steps toward it to eventually get there.
If one’s position is all-or-nothing or that democrats are ineffectual so they’re equally bad and therefore we must oppose both, that’s basically saying to move from point A to point B, we must teleport rather than walk or drive or take the train. That ensures we never get there… because that metaphorical teleportation is fiction, and no, setting the world on fire doesn’t magically create incentives or conditions that in any way help discover teleportation.
Yep, very well said.
I think we can all remember being in our late teens/early 20s and expecting everything to change now, because something something “my generation” and because now I can vote, and politicians better pay attention to the young people, etc., but then most of us tend to grow out of this position.
Unfortunately there is a certain type that definitely does zero self-reflection, has no pragmatism or awareness of how the real world works, etc. and stubbornly sticks to this myopic (and frankly, rather selfish) viewpoint, and even worse, try to encourage others to either be apathetic or throw away their votes.
If you didn’t experience Boing Boing’s descent in ridiculously cartoonish hyper-partisan more-leftist-than-thou purity testing and virtual struggle sessions/Oppression Olympics before they took the comments behind a paywall (! lol. rotflmao, even), it was really quite something. I’m sure that kind of thing has been repeated elsewhere, but this was quite public.
You can still see the old comments, by the way. I would try to find some older thread that perfectly demonstrates this absurd “leftist” circle jerk/circular firing squad, but since they tended to excise anything that made them look stupid (quite easy by the way), one would have to a lot of reading between the lines about what happened after their Stalin squad got done with things.
At least here, there is not an insane cadre of mods and prominent commenters running the place like a Mean Girls spinoff…here, I tend to block the moronic people that want to play the terminally online communist armchair theorists. I went to college; I had my fill of their utopian boring bullshit back then and don’t need lectures from them on how to do leftism properly now, either.
We still seem to have a lot of “both sides are the same” mentality here, as if there aren’t shades of evil out there.
People who still think that after the past 19 months are either complicit with the destruction, severely uninformed (or lacking real perspective), or are letting perfect be the enemy of good. We can critisize (and we should) the DNC while also realizinig their vote is the quicket way to stop the further slide into fascism. If we can find a progressive or DSA or whatnot, even better. But not all races will have those.
Bothsiderism will be the death of civilization. Unfortunately, the corporate media has done a lot to build this and to continue to prop it up. There is a lot of money behind the effort to get people to check out.
“Flood the zone” they say. With a mix of “The market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent”