At least I've made some observation about the world and expressed it in a creative way (using an established template). That's five times as much creative effort than AI image posters.
I wont question the creative value of your meme but it would be a misconception to assume its more effort then an ai image just because its an ai image.
Shitposts exists, both with ai an without
Thoughtfull artistic expression exists, both with ai and without.
I understand the misconception, you could most certainly enter some vague crap and get a popping result and as long as it gets upvote it will be common.
When I personally make ai art i spend hours on end just tweaking the parameters and prompt to get them to stay in context of my idea. Then let it run a few hours. Analyse those output to “harvest” seeds, then use those seeds and varying amount of tools (including photoshop with drawing tablet) to in a few iterations generate a final image or set.
I wouldn’t compare it to painting or drawing, (most i do with tablet is draw guidelines) but its absolutely a creative process. Like all art, value depends more on the person then the tools used.
I don't want to claim that creating the right image is no effort.
I want to focus on the creative part of the process where the message is expressed. Internet memes are almost by definition low effort to create, since anyone can use a meme-generator or use an image creation tool to use a well established template. That means you can focus on the message/observation that the image should convey.
I can't paint that well, but I can make jokes about observations I make. That is what I consider to be the creative process that matters in meme communities, since the actual images are ripped from stock images or pop culture.
AI art makes it possible to create images that most people wouldn't be able to create by hand (or more traditional image creation software). But that part isn't really important in meme communities, where the form is less important that the message.
It's kind of the problem with AIs in a nutshell: All form, no context or meaning.
Thats a fair point. “Ai art” might be a meme but ai art on itself a meme does not make!
It makes sense its posted so much because of the low barrier for entry to make something looks good in a glance. Its excellent for generating fake internet points. But a meme is much more like that, its an evolution of fluid speech and expressive communication.
That making memes is easy isn’t important towards its value but mandatory of we don’t want to go back to the times where written language was exclusive to the upper classes.
Lemmy has in many ways an anti-ai bias against the shortcomings of last years demos, For space supposedly with so many tech oriented progressives that annoys me quite a bit, but i fully agree with you on your stance.
Ai art could be a meme if made into one, but if its not then it should not be in a place for memes.
I'm glad that you get my point. Yet, I don't want to be too gatekeep-y with the status of a "meme" (I really like the original concept, since it is a very useful… meme).
I really want to focus on the message to be brought across. And in most AI generated images I perceive a very lazy thought process behind the idea.
Making an observation like this about the world takes as much effort as thinking of the next tragedy you could turn into an AI Pixar photo, as in, none whatsoever. Hell it will probably get harder as more ai images are created, the hardest part of this post was you thinking of Custer's Revenge as a tragedy that hasn't been done.
Your observation was an emotional reaction probably spurred by comments posted by other people. Honestly far far less interesting than an AI image of Custer's revenge. And by the way, id like to see you make an effort to create that AI image of Clusters revenge at the same quality I've seen other AI images. I can almost guarantee you it will take you more effort than it took to create this.
And by the way, id like to see you make an effort to create that AI image of Clusters revenge at the same quality I've seen other AI images. I can almost guarantee you it will take you more effort than it took to create this.
Yeah, typing sounds like a lot more effort than typing.
Precisely my point. The only point where effort comes in is knowing how to manipulate the prompt to get a good looking image and knowing which program will get you the best result.
If your exposure of ai generated images is exclusively tech demos like the one on bing sure thats what happening.
Its not what’s happening in the art space though, i propose you a challenge to proof the effort.
Install automatic1111 with stable diffusions. (one of the few actual proper ai generating tools, most sites/appa that promise ai generated art use a dumb version of this tool under the hood.
Use it to Create a poster for a classic video game in the style of modern animation without any visible Disney/pixar logos.
Good luck, most people give up before they
Get their first proper output.
It's funny that you focus so much on the Custer's Revenge part, since that literally took the least effort.
I agree that using the meme wasn't too much of an effort. But I consider the creative process I had to be:
Make an observation that the AI Image ideas are lazy.
Think of an appropriate meme format that fits my opinion on the matter.
Create the meme without a watermark (that's more technical than creative)
Think of an atrocity that's not too much in bad taste (I don't want to make fun of the Armenian genocide). That's literally the last few seconds before I posted.
That's it. Making the observation and finding an established term to express that in the context of a specific community is IMHO way more creative than being the n-th person to think "wouldn't it be fucked up if Disney made this?"
At least I've made some observation about the world and expressed it in a creative way (using an established template). That's five times as much creative effort than AI image posters.
Where's the Custer's Revenge? I was sure it would be in the comments.
I got this result. Hope that helps?
Run Stable Diffusion locally for infinite images and unrestricted prompts :)
I appreciate it. Thanks.
I wont question the creative value of your meme but it would be a misconception to assume its more effort then an ai image just because its an ai image.
Shitposts exists, both with ai an without Thoughtfull artistic expression exists, both with ai and without.
I understand the misconception, you could most certainly enter some vague crap and get a popping result and as long as it gets upvote it will be common.
When I personally make ai art i spend hours on end just tweaking the parameters and prompt to get them to stay in context of my idea. Then let it run a few hours. Analyse those output to “harvest” seeds, then use those seeds and varying amount of tools (including photoshop with drawing tablet) to in a few iterations generate a final image or set.
I wouldn’t compare it to painting or drawing, (most i do with tablet is draw guidelines) but its absolutely a creative process. Like all art, value depends more on the person then the tools used.
I don't want to claim that creating the right image is no effort.
I want to focus on the creative part of the process where the message is expressed. Internet memes are almost by definition low effort to create, since anyone can use a meme-generator or use an image creation tool to use a well established template. That means you can focus on the message/observation that the image should convey.
I can't paint that well, but I can make jokes about observations I make. That is what I consider to be the creative process that matters in meme communities, since the actual images are ripped from stock images or pop culture.
AI art makes it possible to create images that most people wouldn't be able to create by hand (or more traditional image creation software). But that part isn't really important in meme communities, where the form is less important that the message.
It's kind of the problem with AIs in a nutshell: All form, no context or meaning.
Thats a fair point. “Ai art” might be a meme but ai art on itself a meme does not make!
It makes sense its posted so much because of the low barrier for entry to make something looks good in a glance. Its excellent for generating fake internet points. But a meme is much more like that, its an evolution of fluid speech and expressive communication.
That making memes is easy isn’t important towards its value but mandatory of we don’t want to go back to the times where written language was exclusive to the upper classes.
Lemmy has in many ways an anti-ai bias against the shortcomings of last years demos, For space supposedly with so many tech oriented progressives that annoys me quite a bit, but i fully agree with you on your stance.
Ai art could be a meme if made into one, but if its not then it should not be in a place for memes.
I'm glad that you get my point. Yet, I don't want to be too gatekeep-y with the status of a "meme" (I really like the original concept, since it is a very useful… meme).
I really want to focus on the message to be brought across. And in most AI generated images I perceive a very lazy thought process behind the idea.
Making an observation like this about the world takes as much effort as thinking of the next tragedy you could turn into an AI Pixar photo, as in, none whatsoever. Hell it will probably get harder as more ai images are created, the hardest part of this post was you thinking of Custer's Revenge as a tragedy that hasn't been done.
Your observation was an emotional reaction probably spurred by comments posted by other people. Honestly far far less interesting than an AI image of Custer's revenge. And by the way, id like to see you make an effort to create that AI image of Clusters revenge at the same quality I've seen other AI images. I can almost guarantee you it will take you more effort than it took to create this.
Yeah, typing sounds like a lot more effort than typing.
Precisely my point. The only point where effort comes in is knowing how to manipulate the prompt to get a good looking image and knowing which program will get you the best result.
If your exposure of ai generated images is exclusively tech demos like the one on bing sure thats what happening.
Its not what’s happening in the art space though, i propose you a challenge to proof the effort.
Install automatic1111 with stable diffusions. (one of the few actual proper ai generating tools, most sites/appa that promise ai generated art use a dumb version of this tool under the hood.
Use it to Create a poster for a classic video game in the style of modern animation without any visible Disney/pixar logos.
Good luck, most people give up before they Get their first proper output.
It's funny that you focus so much on the Custer's Revenge part, since that literally took the least effort.
I agree that using the meme wasn't too much of an effort. But I consider the creative process I had to be:
That's it. Making the observation and finding an established term to express that in the context of a specific community is IMHO way more creative than being the n-th person to think "wouldn't it be fucked up if Disney made this?"