• axont [she/her, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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    There are LGBTQ movies from China so this makes no sense. One of my favorites is Lan Yu (藍宇) from 2001. Most of the characters are gay men and the plot is even critical of how the army handled the 1989 Tiananmen Square incident.

    Did y'all learn about what China is like from Rocky & Bullwinkle cartoons or what

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      Since this work contained positive depictions of gay men, explicit (by Chinese standards) gay sex scenes, and resurrected the ghost of Tiananmen Square, at the time, no mainland Chinese publisher would have published it, nor would the author be safe from government reprisals. Hence, its anonymous publication on the Internet.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lan_Yu_(film)

      Ah, such a free and progressive society!

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          What a comprehensive rebuttal to his counterpoint lol

          You guys really have no idea what to say once you run out of prescripted talking points, huh?

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          You decided to go out on a limb to defend the Chinese government, make a false implication about it, and when you're called on it, your answer is "Nothing would ever satisfy you people".

          What did you expect when you lied?

          Do you concede the below statement that you replied to? I'll re-paste it to confirm:

          Since this work contained positive depictions of gay men, explicit (by Chinese standards) gay sex scenes, and resurrected the ghost of Tiananmen Square, at the time, no mainland Chinese publisher would have published it, nor would the author be safe from government reprisals. Hence, its anonymous publication on the Internet.

          Do you accept that is true?

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          Try fixing that section, which is entirely speculation, and see how quickly it gets reverted and by whom. You'll quickly run into either a power user with reactionary politics that should've been banned ages ago per Wikipedia's own policies or a series of FirstWordLastWord962578 accounts making reversions with no explanation.

          The latter is what lazy government behavior looks like. The former is the larger social structures built around the acceptability and empowerments of reactionary thought and narratives that is inherently anticommunist.

          But really, go do it. Remove the section as speculation and show/tell us what happens.

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        Wikipedia article speculation cited as fact on lemmy dot net.

        Western propaganda is a series of clowns honking each other's noses all the way down.

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      The wiki explains that most of the crew from this movie is from mainland China, however it was made by a Hong Kong director and was filmed without permission from the government.

      It explicitly states

      at the time, no mainland Chinese publisher would have published it, nor would the author be safe from government reprisals. Hence, its anonymous publication on the Internet.

      The film did had a brief showing run in December 2001, at Peking University, where interest by Chinese citizens was quite high, selling out the showings.

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          From the Beijing film festival wiki

          The Festival originated from Peking University, and is considered to be "the only community-based non-governmental film festival in China with a special focus on gender and sexuality"

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            Didnt say it was a government event. Said the governemnt would implicitly have had to allowed it to happen, or it wouldn't have. Or at least, thats what people who think the Chinese government is an all powerful oppressive force would say. Which is my point.

            ETA: Like the fact that a festival like that exists AT ALL, in the nation's capital, proves that the government isnt an evil opressive anti-queer regime that people paint it as.

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              The movie was filmed without permission, what makes you think it couldn't have been shown without permission?

              Good Chinese folk can find ways around unjust restrictions just like any other country in the world. The first "festival"was held in a library in the University, probably not the type of festival you are imagining.

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                They didn't get explicit permission, but they also didnt get shut down.

                Also, the "filmed without permission" is weird phrasing anyway. Does every indy movie in other countries get explicit permission from the government to be filmed? A Wiki article for, say, an Australian indy movie about queer people that covers Australian oppression of the indigenous wouldn't go out of its way to mention "the government didn't give permission for it to be filmed" because why would it? The government doesn't need to approve such project. Including the "government didnt give permission" feels like editorializing to make things sound more sinister then they are.

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      There's literally a law banning same sex relationships from being shown on tv and in cinemas, what the fuck are you talking about??

      Also Tienanmen square wasn't "an incident". It was a massacre.

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        Americans call the Boston massacre and only 6 people died, just saying that on the level of supposedly horrific state violence that should never be forgotten, so you have any idea how many massacres of the same and larger scale the United States has perpetrated just in the last 30 years?

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          According to the Chinese Communist Party around 200-300 civilians died, and several thousands were injured. According to most other agencies, the numbers are around 10 times higher, with 1000 to 3000 dead. Either way, it's a very high number of dead.

          Or is this not a massacre? By the way, two wrongs don't make a right

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            You don’t give a fuck about the wrongdoings of any country but the ones you were told are “enemies”

            Cops in the US murder thousands of people every year, bet you don’t even spare a thought for it, is my point

            State violence only bad when it’s not my state

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              I do care about wrongdoings of any country. The issues with police violence, racial discrimination and gun violence in the US are not a secret. You are not the first one talking about that. Everyone in the west talks about that, it's now the first thing most people think of when talking about the US in the west.

              That being said, I don't understand why, when anyone even tries to say "China bad" the answer is always "but America is also bad". Why does that make it right?

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                because we're in a contrived thread that twists over backwards to shit on china, not a thread about the legitimate issues with china. Its frustrating to see, even when I agree that china is pretty bad in a lot of ways, seeing that drumbeat of "enemy state bad" as an army of mindless brainwashed western redditors marches by throwing out half truths and outright lies (its almost never real criticisms, like with north korea its just miles long lists of shit westerners were taught to think like its illegal to not have the kim haircut) it just makes my head pop

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            All the organizers, though, are living cushy rich lives in Taiwan and the USA now

            Wonder whose head those deaths are on? It's not like you can legally go around impaling soldiers to buses and stealing apcs and tanks in any country

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        I mean yeah I wish representation were better. Too many regional representatives are boomers stuck in the past. I was in Shenzhen in 2019 though and met a bunch of cool queer folks though.

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        What? I was just watching a show the other day with a trans hostess on Chinese national TV. Her name is Jin Xing and she's very well known and her show draws 100 million viewers regularly

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        I love how entitled you feel with the white man's burden, representing all of rest of the world, even though you paleskins are only 12% of the world's population and have suppressed and looted the rest of the world for centuries. Consider that when white privilege dies, you people will start to become extinct, as is already happening in USA…

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          What exactly did any of his reply have to do with white people? Or are you defending the persecution of gay people and blaming white people for homosexuality?

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            Parent comment literally explains that LGBT+ is not persecuted in China. Above reply starts with "dear tankie fuck yourself with broken glass", even going on to talk on behalf of "rest of the world", that aligns with China instead of Anglosphere.

            He is the whitey perpetrating Sinophobia, which I point out as being typical white person nonsense. And all of you repliers are the defenders of anti-China bigotry.

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              Parent comment literally explains that LGBT+ is not persecuted in China.

              Dishonestly, and they were called on it. Yes. With facts directly related to the movie in question.

              Above reply starts with “dear tankie fuck yourself with broken glass”,

              While I've had some bad run-ins with tankies, that's more extreme than I would normally have said myself… But

              even going on to talk on behalf of “rest of the world”, that aligns with China instead of Anglosphere.

              So you are defining "white" as anyone of every ethnicity that isn't Chinese AND living in China? Seems an odd way to put that word.

              He is the whitey perpetrating Sinophobia

              The first racist comment in this thread… and it came from you. Do you just hate everyone who isn't Chinese?

              which I point out as being typical white person nonsense

              Again. I know Chinese expats who feel this way about China, and black- and brown-skinned people who agree. Are they all "white" by your definition?

              And all of you repliers are the defenders of anti-China bigotry.

              Ahh yes. Respond by classifying everyone as "you people". Would you put "you people" up against the wall? How about our children? Would you put a toddler up against the wall? Tell me, do you think everyone who isn't Chinese or pro-China is less than human and have an opinion that doesn't matter? That's about 80% of the world.

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          Oh, our ancestors were fucking awful humans, and our current ruling class is even worse, but don't lump us common folk in with them, ya fuckin' racist.

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            You got me, racism is wen calling out discrimination and crimes perpetrated by Anglos against rest of the world

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              ::sigh:: Again, you're making it about race, when we hate the rich assholes who did and do that shit just as much as you do. So yeah, that is racism. Ya damn fool.

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          Yeah, okay buddy. Not like there aren't already three other comments here calling that initial comment as the bullshit that it is.

          Anyone ever told you that you have the reading comprehension of a carrot? Of course, that assumes you actually care about what you're reading, rather than just blindly supporting totalitarianism and espousing racially-motivated attacks.

          Have they maybe said that you're just genuinely fucking insane? I know that everyone is already telling you how racist you are, so I don't have to ask that one.

          Oh, and btw, if you're using easily disproven half-truths to (durr this movie even talks about Tiananmen Square!!) to try and lessen the reality of such heinous events, you can fuck yourself with broken glass, regardless of your skin color, you racist prick.

          Edit: Oh, you're that Tankie piece of shit mod from the tech board that's been recorded deleting everything you can that so much as implies China has ever done anything wrong! People like you don't deserve even the smallest shadow of power, you fucking scumbag, and I hope your racist rant comes back to bite you.

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            Edit: Oh, you're that Tankie piece of shit mod from the tech board that's been recorded deleting everything you can that so much as implies China has ever done anything wrong!

            Can you provide proof I have deleted comments? I will report you to admins if you fail to prove these allegations. Nobody falsely accuses me on my moderation of boards and rooms.