Everyone just loves untested forced updates. /s
It's a shame that Valve couldn't get Steam to issue them a new AppID, so they had to delete CSGO in order to put CS2 on the store. It was the only way.
no, cs2 was always made to be update over csgo
Just read the offical blog post, it's not a different game, but huge update over it
I even remember them saying that they will update CS:GO with source engine 2… Which they literally did.
People got mad because it got a new name too for beta testing. "CS:GO 2"
What? Oh no why deleting the old game
I bought CSGO in 2015 and never had the chance to actually install it, do I get some extra content in cs2 or everything is lost?
why deleting the old game
Because it's a multiplayer game and they don't want to split the userbase.
And why is that anyones problem but Valve's?
Who else is hurt by having it split?
It doesn't hurt the players to have it split, so it feels like you are defending anti-consumer business practices just because its Valve.
I'm not defending anyone, it's just a fact. In my opinion it would be tolerable if they didn't cut content and if the performance was on par with the previous game.
Players are hurt from having it split. Way more so than Valve. In fact, I fail to see why Valve would be gaining anything, they aren't selling the missing parts.
When a game updates, do you keep matchmaking servers up for every old edition of the game? Place people in a different queue for every hotfix version they are on? When the game is updated often over a lifespan of 12 years? Then no one would be in any matchmaking, let alone enough people of your skill level.
If they marketed this as "CSGO: Source 2 engine update" people wouldn't be whining, so I don't understand why people go out of their way to make a big deal about this. We knew not all the content would be available at release when they completely rewrote and modernized the game's code.
And no anti-consumer business practices involved. You CAN play csgo still, if you want to. Sure, it's inconvenient to download an old version of the game to run, but it is also inconvenient to download an old version of any game to run in every case. Anyone saying CSGO is unplayable and "that's unfair because I paid for it" is maliciously spreading misinformation.
If you bought CSGO, you automatically got access to prime mode when the game went free to play.
It's a separate matchmaking pool that puts you in servers filled with only other people who also bought the game, substantially reducing the likelihood of encountering cheaters and bots who just make endless free accounts.
This also carries over into CS2 as far as I'm aware.
Everything is probably lost because it didn't detect you playing it.
Wait… what the fuck? Who cones up with those shitty ideas?
How about you make a game good enough that people switch from the older one willingly instead of forcing it down their throats?
they were never going to be able to release a totally new game without a lot of backlash from the
addictskin trading communities. They wouldn't want to risk their free income from the whales by splitting the player base and eventually shunning the skin investors stuck on the old game.You make older games better by updating them. This is an update.
Updates only make products worse, not better.
Lol
Because it was just an engine swap, not a new game.
Think of the skins
Funny, on release day, I got downvoted for pointing out they pulled a Blizzard/Overwatch 2.
Half-baked release with missing content and no new content? Check.
Release removes previous release, a game that was at one time a paid game? Check.
I feel like Valve gets way too much of a pass here on this for just being Valve.
CS:GO is still there btw, under the beta options
I've been having a ball with CS2, and I think releasing at it as a separate game to CSGO would only fragment the player base.
Sure, but a fragmented player base impacts Valve's bottom line more than anything else, so I don't understand why this is an argument.
Oh no! A few thousand players will stay on the old game while the new one will still absolutely dominate the charts because people like new and novel.
Genuinely, who would that deeply affect outside of Valve trying to make sure the player base is all on the current game to make the most money? Why are we defending business practices that are clearly aimed at making the most profit at the expense of customer service?
Weren't we all supposed to be Valve fans because we expect better of them?
Its not true. A fragmented playerbase hurts everyone. I was there in the Source vs CS 1.6 days. Source and 1.6 were basically completely seperate communities, which were only really unified when CS:GO came out.
Imagine getting the new CS only to find out all your friends refuse to move to the new game, so you have to go there too if you want to play with them and learn everything anew just when you learned the ropes in the new game. A terrible new user experience, which hampers growth, which leads to a dying game.
Updating a hugely successful game is always difficult. Should you cater to the "old guard"? Absolutely. But when they are a contentious bunch who hate change, you just have to force them, or they will paint themselves into a corner, completely isolating themselves from new players. They would probably see this as a win too: no annoying "n00bs".
This would be exactly the situation that developed between 1.6 and Source.
If you look at steam charts you'll see that it's not the case that everyone switched to CSGO when it released. Most states on 1.6 or CSS. The player base was so fragmented that they had folks from 2 games migrating slowly.
I'm out of the loop, can somebody explain ?
The long awaited game Counter Strike 2 launched as an update to the old game Counter Strike: GO. Effectively deleting CS:GO from existence. Except that CS2 doesn't work on every computer CS:GO used to work on. Meaning (at least for now) lots of people have lost access to their favorite game.
At least they can't do that to TF2
Why can't they? Other than the one dude working on it probably doesn't have time.
Because that would result in TF3
3 in the name of a Valve game
That's a solved problem. Just call it Team Fortress 2: Episode 1.
Or Team Fortress Alyx.
Gaben bursts in
"What the fuck did you just say?!? Did I hear the blasphemed number uttered in MY HOUSE!?!"
Hm, it’s playable for me
Same for me on fedora
I’m on NixOS
Running perfectly on Void
Played hours on CS2 yesterday… ran perfectly fine on my Arch installation… haven't experienced these issues…
Good for you. I haven't been that lucky.
Yeah… That might be something on your end then, because me and my friend both use Linux, and we've also had no issue.
It is possible. I am not a hardcore gamer, I play occasionally and so far everything went smoothly via Steam, but now my only chance to play is this:
Edit: typo
What's that, a cloud gaming service?
On my Slackware64 system cs2 runs the same as cs:go or xonotic used to run
I played a casual game and got kicked. If it was ranked, I would understand, but it was casual!
Few month ago in CSGO I played a casual game for flying scout. Went in, and I got instantly kicked by the 5 players of the team. Turn out I felt into a farming bot lobby and all 10 players where farming bots
Yeah, that happens with certain groups of people. Definitely not a CS2 issue, best you can do is go and play a different map.
Why do I feel like giving this a month will make all of this irrelevant?
but this is a crime against God, humanity, gaming and anime!!!
I get it, your favorite game doesn't work because of a new release. It happens. Take a ticket and sit down for a while. Valve isn't omniscient about every Linux build in existence or possible glitch on the first week of release.
Hell, TF2 has been broken on arch for almost a month without bypassing a .dll file.
it wouldn’t be an issue if you could still play CSGO in the meantime. They removed a game that was working for some, and put in one that isn’t working in its place lol
you can, it's in CS2s beta channel
Thank you! I have enabled it, another 12 GB space to be able to play, I'll see if it will work. Edit: it only starts CS2.
No matchmaking. Not playing bots thanks lol
I remember when games launched and generally could be expected to run, because easy patching wasn't a thing yet. They had to make sure that the games worked.
I don't like that this has moved to "well, it's just the first day, week, month, give them time to fix the game." No! When the game releases and people pay money for it, it should work!
oh you mean back in the day when games were way simpler? come on man games these days are so much more complex.
We are talking about Counter Strike. Nothing has fundamentally changed in 2 decades.
We are talking about Counter Strike 2, a complete rewrite of the game's code for a new game engine. EVERYTHING has fundamentally changed over the last year.
… in cs2 the smoke is physics based particles that can be moved with bullets or grenades. That tech alone is very complex and the calculations need more modern hardware. Not to mention the dynamic shadows and graphics overhaul.
Which no one asked for.
If you’re asking me if I would rather play the game I bought or not play the game that looks pretty and lose the game I bought, the answer is simple.
That's simply moving the goal posts. "There hasn't been a change for over 2 decades" - "here is a bunch of changes they actually did" - "NO ONE ASKED FOR THEM!" like what kind of argument is that?
Also if you bought CSGO and are expecting to play it, it's long been gone. It went free to play, even before that they had pretty big gameplay changes like being able to bring in different weapons. Updates to the game have been made. Negev is now a bullet laser! There is a revolver! The M4A1-s exists!
I never complained about a lack of changes for two decades. CS:GO worked perfectly well for me as-is. And because I’m a mac user, I’ve now lost matchmaking in a game i did pay for.
To be fair, at the time games were made to target a single system, not a myriad of them.
I had an amazing time playing CS2 Saturday night. The only performance issues I had was in the Ancient map, when I'm near the water my fps tanks to 50fps from like 90 fps on high.
Good for you. I am waiting for my rig on geforcenow again. :(
Ong why did they not just keep csgo on steam and release cs2 beside it or wait until cs2 is atleast playable on linux
To keep thousands of now irrelevant reviews, allow themselves to remonetize content and jumpstart a player base that now has no other choice but to switch.
Tbf they're KEEPING ALL cosmetics unlike fucking overwatch
yo we're not talking about blizzard, we're talking about valve here and they are not scumbags like that, I think you're being a little harsh
CSGO is still in CS2's beta channel on Steam as csgo_demo_viewer or something like that, but obviously limited to community servers/offline play, no official dedicated servers.
Thank you! Tried almost every beta on the list, CS2 loaded every time.
It IS playable on Linux. It ISN'T playable on computers over ~10 years old.
The game was unplayable on linux 2 days after release no matter how good your pc was. It is fine now though.
to prevent fragmenting the player base
May have something to do with keeping the appid the same. My guess is this was done because of how skins work on the backend. I don't know for sure though. They should have done more testing on Linux however. It will be interesting to see what they do going forward.
They fixed most of it with a recent patch I think
I didn't realize that they replaced cs:go with cs2 until I was home and noticed an update to install cs2… if it was an independent launch, that would not happen.
The only CS game I've played somewhat recently is cs:go, so I put two and two together (ha, pun), and groaned.
I thought valve was better than this.
If you want to downgrade your game to an old version, you can. In the betas menu.
It's going to turn into the whole CS 1.6 thing all over again
Only game I ever played on Linux is literally Roblox lol
Sounds like a nightmare.
It started with lagging. While loading the game. Classic lagging as in the dark filter fading out flimmering. Then CS2 kept rapidly switching between Fullscreen and Windowed, on sway. Then it randomly froze. My whole system. No luck with even switching to another TTY. So I force rebooted after 10 mins. Started into clearing orphaned inodes, then staying on that message. Force rebooted again. Still stuck at "Arch_Linux_boot: clean, x/x files, x/x blocks".
CS2 basically just broke my PC.
I will never touch it again. I predicted it was going to be trash, not gameplay wise but programmatically.
Why install it if you think it's trash
To see if their guess might have been wrong?
As I said, I predicted it was trash in regards to programming. I'm ok with a bit of lag, or maybe some visual glitches. But I was not prepared to Valve pushing out a such untested steaming pile of crap for Linux. The gameplay could be good, but it does not seem like it from many opinions I heard. But anyway, without CS:GO and none of the game modes I liked in CS:S, I thought there was nothing to lose by trying it (well I was wrong, it took me ~1 hour reinstalling all packages due to not syncing before force restarting, but even if I'd though about it, I couldn't have done anything about it).
But as I said, I didn't even get to see more than the settings menu, which I find unnecessarily over engineered too - who the fuck cares about new settings if they just want adjusting something -, as it just crashed after switching between the 'game' and Firefox three times. Just crashed my whole system, and idk how. But I know that such errors happen to me with some very badly written engines, over engineered and run through wine. Which means Valve apparently just abandoned the Idea of supporting Linux at least ok-ish completely and fucked that poor source engine hard. Even 4A games' selfmade 4A engine has native Linux support, with RT, DLSS, FSR, etc. and no bugs. Yet Valve can't advance their engine to support a fraction of those features without lowering the quality to the level of a trashy Windows only engine run through wine.
anybody that is in here complaining they can't play this game on Linux should seriously evaluate their life choices, instead of whining maybe you should just install Windows
Because of comments like this I am missing the downvote button on my instance…
Why would you join an instance that censors adversity?
I joined lemmy.one when people started moving from reddit to lemmy. In the early days there was not much choice, either this one or the woke beehaw and some other "just started" instances with one or two people. (and lemmingrad ofc) I have recently switched to another one.
I guess wanting to play a game that's replacing a game that runs well on Linux and is made by the company that has done the most to improve Linux gaming while using an OS that doesn't spy on you and treat you like a toddler is a poor life choice according to you?
Maybe some of us have things we care about more than just maximum game compatibility. The horror.
If you're gonna do something, do it right. If you're gonna game, use Windows.
If you're gonna do literally ANYTHING else, use Linux for that lol
No. I don't think I will. I had a dual boot machine with both Windows and Linux on it for years for that very purpose. It sucked. I hated it. I eventually got most of my favorite games working on Linux and just stopped using Windows completely, and that was before Valve released Proton. If Linux gaming stopped working completely I'd go back to being a console gamer. I just dislike the experience of trying to use modern Windows that much, and it's only gotten worse since I left.
If you don't think that's "right" then your opinion is worthless to me. You can do whatever the hell you think is right, and so can I.
So angsty. Windows has its quirks, but it does gaming better than any other OS, and that's a fact, I'm sorry you don't know how to use Windows but that's a you problem, not a Windows problem.
I'm also not trying to troll, just being honest.
I've been using Windows since Windows 3.11. I've tried every new version of Windows that has come out since. You're on an obscure open source reddit alternative. Nobody here is confused by how to open an Excel spreadsheet. If you think me not liking something is "angsty" that's a you problem. Gaming on Linux is great, and I don't care how it is on other operating systems. Don't tell me to do things I don't enjoy to have fun. That's just stupid. Telling people that they're wrong for having fun in a way you don't approve of is just weird and bad.
I'm not telling you to do squat, I am simply stating facts.
I'm not calling you angsty because you don't like Windows, I'm calling you angsty because of your angsty energy in your responses.
I get it that you're passionate about Linux it's pretty obvious, I am passionate about Linux as well however I'm not delusional to the point where I deny windows as the ultimate gaming OS.
My original point and the reason you started conversing with me is that anyone on here complaining about their games not running on Linux should probably spend their time better by installing a copy of Windows on their machine LOL
I didn't join this community to read posts about people whining about compatibility issues for games that were designed to run on an entirely different operating system, that's a given and if you run into compatibility issues well that's the bed you made and you might as well sleep in it. I joined this community to read about other passionate Linux users who are enjoying playing games on Linux.
You joined to read about other passionate Linux user who are enjoying playing games on Linux, but none of them are ever allowed to complain about anything ever?
Also, just for the record, if you ever find yourself on the internet explaining how someone feels to them then you are wrong. No exceptions. Tone is notoriously interpretable over text. Your interpretation of my tone is not justification for childish insults.
And holy crap, not wanting to use Windows is not the same as a delusional denial of reality. There are problems on Linux. A lot less than there used to be, but still significantly more than Windows. That doesn't mean the only valid options are never complaining or installing Windows, especially for a native Linux game. Which the game we are talking about here is, by the way.
