They are one and the same. If you knew where to look, they provided means.
Tools are agnostic to their use. Tools do not have a preference how they are used. Hammers that are used are agnostic to if they are hammering a nail into a wall or caving in a skull. Yuzu would work exactly the same if you dumped your own carts. Same for emulators for Genesis and Atari 2600 and PlayStation.
What’s wrong with Twitter? You could also just google this and find the information yourself, don’t know why I have to provide what should be common knowledge on this subject.
If you make a claim, you need to provide the evidence. That’s how these things work. You say a claim, you give us the proof. And I can say on Twitter “Yuzu was 100000% legal and Nintendo actually is the real illegal operation”. Now that’s a valid source too, right?
Sorry but that biggest technology legal experts and defenders of the little guys who get sued by the big companies you polish the boots with your tongue strongly prove you wrong.
Stop peddling that stupid lie already. They didn’t use any key period; we literally have backups of the entire GPL source code will all of the commit history dating all the way back to August 30, 2013, stop spewing bullshit out your mouth.
You had to rip your own key from your own legally purchased switch hardware using legally protected homebrew tools and manually add it to Yuzu configs.This process is protected under Section 107 of the U.S. Copyright Act.
Under the fair use doctrine in Section 107, modifying your own legally purchased console hardware and running homebrew software for personal, non-commercial use has been considered a lawful fair use in certain legal precedents, even if it requires circumventing the console’s technological protection measures (TPMs) as its considered non-profit, educational or transformative use, as described in the fair use doctrine of Section 107.
Section 107 of the Copyright Act establishes the fair use exception, which allows for the reproduction of copyrighted works for purposes such as “criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, or research”.
Clean Room design reverse engineering for the purpose of creating an Emulator falls under “research” as listed by section 107 and independent creation as protected by existing judicial precedents.
Section 107 is intended to restate the present judicial doctrine of fair use, not to change, narrow, or enlarge it in any way.
Meaning Clean Room design reverse engineering as independent creation & modifying your legally purchased hardware with homebrew tools as fair use being protected by existing judicial precedents is also in turn protected by Section 107.
And the Twitter thread had the sources
Twitter doesn’t allow us to reverse the thread, kindly link the exact source you’re referring to.
Which they didn’t do since their ripped key was in a google drive (it was someone else’s key) and they had folders full of illegal roms….
You would also need to know how decode and use that key, it’s not just taking a key and suddenly you have a working emulator, you can’t be serious about this are you…?
That’s not how you make an emulator and claim game preservation, sorry. Yuzu got sued and didn’t even make it to discovery, since they had nothing to stand on…. Since they had an illegal bios key and game roms.
Which they didn’t do since their ripped key was in a google drive (it was someone else’s key) and they had folders full of illegal roms….
Again, provide proof or kindly STFU.
You would also need to know how decode and use that key, it’s not just taking a key and suddenly you have a working emulator, you can’t be serious about this are you…?
Please learn how the fuck clean room design reverse engineering works. It’s a 2 team operation were one team uses reverse engineering methods to write spec documentation without any code at all, then another team without access to copyright content using the that spec documentation to build out the actual code. This again is already deamed independent creation under section 107.
That’s not how you make an emulator and claim game preservation, sorry. Yuzu got sued and didn’t even make it to discovery, since they had nothing to stand on…. Since they had an illegal bios key and game roms.
They had TOTK working on their emulator before the game released. How did they get they key, and test and update their emulator with legally acquired clean room techniques…?
Sure, if you ignore the mountain of evidence, they did things kinda right. The proof is right there if you don’t just choose to ignore it since it doesn’t align with your bias….
And everything is deleted and scrubbed, the only thing you’ll find is posts and articles talking about it now.
You fundamentally misunderstand how emulators work. Emulators are the recreation of the actual spec of the hardware itself in software. They do not need some unique key for TOTK to work as the hardware itself is what’s being emulated not some encryption key pulled of the hardware. All the key does is decode the ROMs encryption so it can be run by the hardware and inturn the emulator that’s mimicking the hardware. Literally any encryption key dumped from any homebrew’d switch can decode TOTK. Not once did Yuzu access TOTK ROMs files, more over the TOTK ROMs was leaked by a 3rd party with no connection to Yuzu.
Tools are agnostic to their use. Tools do not have a preference how they are used. Hammers that are used are agnostic to if they are hammering a nail into a wall or caving in a skull. Yuzu would work exactly the same if you dumped your own carts. Same for emulators for Genesis and Atari 2600 and PlayStation.
If you make a claim, you need to provide the evidence. That’s how these things work. You say a claim, you give us the proof. And I can say on Twitter “Yuzu was 100000% legal and Nintendo actually is the real illegal operation”. Now that’s a valid source too, right?
https://www.eff.org/issues/coders/reverse-engineering-faq
Sorry but that biggest technology legal experts and defenders of the little guys who get sued by the big companies you polish the boots with your tongue strongly prove you wrong.
Uhhh they didn’t reverse engineer the key they used, that’s the entire stickler here……
And the Twitter thread had the sources, so why are you saying the onus is on me? I provided it, even though it should be common knowledge.
Stop peddling that stupid lie already. They didn’t use any key period; we literally have backups of the entire GPL source code will all of the commit history dating all the way back to August 30, 2013, stop spewing bullshit out your mouth.
You had to rip your own key from your own legally purchased switch hardware using legally protected homebrew tools and manually add it to Yuzu configs.This process is protected under Section 107 of the U.S. Copyright Act.
Clean Room design reverse engineering for the purpose of creating an Emulator falls under “research” as listed by section 107 and independent creation as protected by existing judicial precedents.
Meaning Clean Room design reverse engineering as independent creation & modifying your legally purchased hardware with homebrew tools as fair use being protected by existing judicial precedents is also in turn protected by Section 107.
Twitter doesn’t allow us to reverse the thread, kindly link the exact source you’re referring to.
How can you make and test an emulator without a key…? Or roms…?
They didn’t reverse engineer the key, that’s the issue they had their publicly ripped key in a Google folder.
So… how did they legally test their reverse engineered emulator… without their own key or roms?
There’s far more to this story than what yuzu and the commits say.
By home brewing a legally purchase switch obviously.
Where’s the proof they were distributing a key?
You still fail to provide any proof.
Again, by home brewing a legally purchased switch. Which again, is protected by section 107.
Then provide actual fucking evidence like you’ve been told to countless times already.
Stop with the fucking heresay already.
Which they didn’t do since their ripped key was in a google drive (it was someone else’s key) and they had folders full of illegal roms….
You would also need to know how decode and use that key, it’s not just taking a key and suddenly you have a working emulator, you can’t be serious about this are you…?
That’s not how you make an emulator and claim game preservation, sorry. Yuzu got sued and didn’t even make it to discovery, since they had nothing to stand on…. Since they had an illegal bios key and game roms.
Again, provide proof or kindly STFU.
Please learn how the fuck clean room design reverse engineering works. It’s a 2 team operation were one team uses reverse engineering methods to write spec documentation without any code at all, then another team without access to copyright content using the that spec documentation to build out the actual code. This again is already deamed independent creation under section 107.
Yet again. Provide proof.
They had TOTK working on their emulator before the game released. How did they get they key, and test and update their emulator with legally acquired clean room techniques…?
Sure, if you ignore the mountain of evidence, they did things kinda right. The proof is right there if you don’t just choose to ignore it since it doesn’t align with your bias….
And everything is deleted and scrubbed, the only thing you’ll find is posts and articles talking about it now.
You fundamentally misunderstand how emulators work. Emulators are the recreation of the actual spec of the hardware itself in software. They do not need some unique key for TOTK to work as the hardware itself is what’s being emulated not some encryption key pulled of the hardware. All the key does is decode the ROMs encryption so it can be run by the hardware and inturn the emulator that’s mimicking the hardware. Literally any encryption key dumped from any homebrew’d switch can decode TOTK. Not once did Yuzu access TOTK ROMs files, more over the TOTK ROMs was leaked by a 3rd party with no connection to Yuzu.