AccidentalRenaissance has no active moderators due to Reddit’s unprecedented API changes, and has thus been privated to prevent vandalism.
Resignation letters:
Openminded_Skeptic - https://imgur.com/a/WwzQcac
VoltasPistol - https://imgur.com/a/lnHSM4n
We welcome you to join us in our new homes:
https://kbin.social/m/AccidentalRenaissance
https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/c/accidentalrenaissance
Thank you for all your support!
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Argh, why make 2 communities? >_< Pick one damnit :D
I’m going to the blahaj one
Anyway well done for recognizing the ship is rapidly disintegrating.
I was thinking the same thing, it’s counterintuitive to the whole point of Lemmy lol
It’s kind of a massive part of Lemmys design, so I would disagree.
We’re going to end up with duplicate instances all over the place. That’s just the reality of things. Some of them will become the more popular versions and others will be abandoned, but there’s little point to complaining about it.
Yeah I understand that duplicates will pop up from different people, just found it weird that they would create 2 separate ones themselves. It’s hard to find which one to join when both are similar levels of active and I don’t love the idea of having to subscribe to both and go to both if I want to see what’s being posted. I assumed it was unfamiliarity with how the instances worked but didn’t think about seeing if kbin or lemmy would end up being more popular, that does makes sense.
What’s wrong with subscribing to both? Then you’d have both in your feed; you wouldn’t have to go anywhere.
But yeah we also wanted to make sure to get the name in a couple of places. Didn’t expect our resignation letters & whatnot to go a bit more public and get influxes of users and all.
I’m assuming seeing duplicate posts from the two all the time would be the reason why you wouldn’t sub to both. Unless there’s like some extensions or something that stop that kinda thing? I’m fairly new to this kind of thing so educate me if I’m wrong
it’s counterintuitive to the whole point of Lemmy lol
Actually no, it is not. Having multiple smaller communities works to the benefit of users in the Fediverse. One server might be down, and people in those communities can find another community on a different instance to continue discussion until the community of their instance choice comes back up.
By that logic it makes more sense to have one community mirrored over multiple instances. If one instance goes down the others just take over. No hassle for the users.
I do think it would be beneficial if there was a way to have “super communities” or “sub-federation,” where communities with similar topics can opt in to the feature. Thus if a person subscribes to one of the communities with that feature, other communities with similar topics will appear in that thread.
Ultimately, this would retain decentralization while increasing community discovery, which is a benefit to end-users.
Yeah people have thrown around the idea of eventually doing something like that. So like you’d subscribe to “AccidentalRenaissance” and get all communities with that name as one feed or whatever.
Hope that happens.
It’s “broken by design.”
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I got a response from them on Reddit:
We didn’t know which platform would take off, and we were nervous that because Kbin and Lemmy are so similar one platform might shut down in some sort of consolidation down the road. Also when we made them, each had very serious drawbacks for our media (Lemmy needs a lot of clicking to access the media, while kbin turned any media that wasn’t in a 3:4 aspect ratio into a funhouse mirror.) So each of us took a community and somewhere down the line we’ll re-evaluate.
That makes a lot of sense.
I was tempted to go with kbin when I switched, because it just looks cleaner and better designed. I’m not sure why kbin isn’t more popular, but I’m sticking with the pack right now on lemmy.
I like how Lemmy looks simpler and more lightweight. Also Kbin is trying to do 2 things instead of focusing on one thing and I don’t think that’s a good idea.
Given that one of those resignations talks about Beehaw like it’s a separate platform entirely, I think it’s just some good old fashioned misunderstanding. Looks like they’ve set up separate user accounts on Lemmy and Kbin too.
Given that one of those resignations talks about Beehaw like it’s a separate platform entirely
They might as well be, honestly.
Yeah, kind of a strange choice to split like that. Are they intending to start crossposting to both communities?
Maybe they didn’t realize lemmy and kbin can all visit the same community?
I subscribed yesterday. Will have to check which one it is!
This is most likely it. They sound like 2 different sites before you get here and realize how interconnected everything is.
There’s a quote from them further up someone posted. They just weren’t 100% sold on any site because they said neither quite fit what they wanted. So they started up two to see how they develop and which they prefer down the line.
I understand their feelings about that, but that seems like a dumb idea in the long one.
They’re dividing up their user base, and they’re going to have different conversations on each of those two servers that they’ll have to hop back and forth on if they want to get the whole experience.
I just checked out KBin for the first time. Yes there’s a lot of duplicated communities on there but the site itself has quite a nice UI. Like a more updated version of Lemmy keeping the simpl9icity but not going balls-to-the-wall modern like Reddit.
I’ve signed up and think I’ll be using both. I don’t see a problem with this. Sometimes I get a bit bored of Lemmy’s stories not updating so I’ll switch to KBin and see what’s going on.
It’s no different than when I used to get bored of Reddit and would check out BBC News or YouTube for stuff.
I like choice.
Nobody said anything about choice. But you can use your kbin account to read lemmy communities through kbin, and you can use lemmy account to read kbin communities through lemmy. There’s just no reason to have 2 communities.
I’m sure eventually there’ll be a means to merge them at the client end.
The problem is that if you have two communities with exactly the same purpose, then that will encourage people to duplicate posts to both. This splits up discussions into two separate comment threads. Also, merging these communities at the client end will cause you to see any duplicated posts twice 😅
True. But if the client can see the duplicate and merge the post plus the comments from both posts into one on the user’s device, it would be transparent to the user. We’re just not there yet.
I think the same would also be useful where the same article (post) is made on multiple subs (communities / magazines) within a certain time window. It’s annoying seeing the same post multiple times in /all.
Yeah, I really hate the fragmentation because of that. Reddit admittedly had this problem too, but it didn’t feel like the same degree.
I think it also is a barrier to growing a community because it can sometimes take some time for it to be clear which community is the biggest one. To avoid duplication, I usually only join the biggest community of each “type” and it’s not always obvious which one that is.
Why not both? I like twice the content.
It’s not going to be twice the content though. It’s either going to be split between the two, or, most likely, just seeing double-posts as one is crossposted to the other
Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn’t work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: !accidentalrenaissance@lemmy.blahaj.zone
I love this bot
Good bot!
Google human!
It also works in the /c/ and /m/ formats for the web version of Lemmy (not sure if kbin has the same)
For everyone who told us that they’d never taken a single art class and they could mod this place better with their eyes closed… Well, consider this a golden opportunity! It’s going to be tricky doing it with your eyes closed ever since Reddit’s painfully botched rollout of “disability friendly” mod tools in their disasterpiece of a mobile app has caused nothing but crashes and bugs, but you seemed so confident in the many (many, many, many) times you’ve expressed this opinion that we can only assume you know something about modding that we don’t!
Is such a fun line.
test comment.
edit of test comment
edit from culprit browser
edit with only one add-on deactivatedYou ok there bud?
Oh my god that was annoying! But yes. Now, I am okay.
Firefox wasn’t letting me comment, reply to comments, or edit my comments. I even dragged my home instance’s moderator into helping me debug which I feel terrible about. (Especially because I originally described it as a federation error, only later realizing that the glitch was happening on reddthat as well as federated instances.)
After various debugging attempts, he told me to deactivate my extensions… which I hadn’t tried for some reason… and it worked instantly. My Bionic Reader Firefox extension in particular turned out being the source of the problem. And now I feel like I’ve wasted my mod’s time trying to debug something that he had no control over, but other than that? I’m okay.
Thanks for asking.
I mean… Idk why… but I love it… imagining you pulling your hair out trying to troubleshoot this… haha…
Been there done that…
Cheers mate!
Damn, that’s nice - what a cool mod
He’s problem solving, so he looks fine.
Exactly this, yeah. Doing a little debugging.
Your user name would have been a fun notification to receive while troubleshooting ahaaha
I don’t think there’s a lot of blind people going to r/AccidentalRenaissance anyway.
Actually, we did have a small contingent of visually impaired people who enjoyed the subreddit, even if they had to zoom way in to see the details. Most people who are legally blind still have some vision and they still love pleasing arrangements of pixels.
That’s why we’re trying to make the Lemmy and kbin instances more accessible by adding image transcriptions where possible, a paragraph description explaining the details in the photo so mostly-blind people can enjoy them more.
Also, like, half the mod team is some flavor of disabled, and us cripples gotta stick together.
That contingent included me so I am happy to see you here :)
I’m still learning transcription so feedback for what works and what doesn’t will be helpful!
Oh damn, that’s us!!
We’d wondered where the nearly 1.9k subscribers came from completely out of nowhere!
So, yeah, a lot of people are hating on us for creating one of Kbin and one on Lemmy, but we had our reasons: Basically, neither handled images very well and we saw that these two services did basically the same thing and that typically leads to the weaker project getting cancelled down the line, so we decided our safest bet was just to make one of each, just in case it all ended in bad blood, de-federation, and a total loss of data. Better safe than sorry.
We might consolidate them later, but for now just pick whichever you like best. :)
>We’d wondered where the nearly 1.9k subscribers came from completely out of nowhere!
LoL, that’s really great! 🤣🤣🤣
>Basically, neither handled images very well
You can always use these to upload image
- https://imgur.io/
- https://postimages.org/
- https://imgbox.com/
- https://imgbb.com/
- https://www.imagebam.com/
On lemmy you can use this code to display image
It wasn’t the way images uploaded, it was more that kbin’s image previews absolutely skullfucked the aspect ratio of anything that wasn’t roughly in a 3:4 aspect ratio, making a bunch of deeply touching photos look like goofy funhouse mirrors.
We were like, “Shit… Is… Is this on purpose? Are the people behind kbin some kind of weirdos who believe in 3:4 aspect ratio supremacy??” so we thought, “Eh… Maybe we’d better make a Lemmy too, in case kbin doesn’t figure their shit out”.
Because, honestly? Our faith in humanity was at an all-time low and we were running out of time before people began leaving reddit for new platforms. Throw everything against the wall and see what sticks, right?
It wasn’t the way images uploaded, it was more that kbin’s image previews absolutely skullfucked the aspect ratio of anything that wasn’t roughly in a 3:4 aspect ratio, making a bunch of deeply touching photos look like goofy funhouse mirrors.
I can only suggest to use mobile app. So far I don’t see any problem with image handling on mobile app. On desktop and mobile browser you might want to use voyager https://vger.app
It isn’t personal preference, I’m trying to do what’s best for my community, mobile and desktop users alike.
Just want to say, “it’s been swell, but the swelling’s gone down” is a fantastic turn of phrase that I will be stealing
I stole it from Tank Girl first, but I don’t think she’d mind.
Are you going to merge/consolidate the topics/posts from each of the two servers with each other, or just keep two sets of posts/topics, one on each server?
We feel it’s still too soon to make that choice but it’s a possibility in the future.
The good thing is that on lemmy it looks like you can delete communities.
We probably wouldn’t delete it, just leave a link at the top explaining we’ve migrated and lock it so it isn’t accepting new posts.
I wouldn’t want someone who submitted a treasured photo and got a bunch of positive feedback to lose it forever in the name of ruthless efficiency.
Just saying it’s an option that um, other sites don’t have.
Yeah that’s a good option that I WISH Reddit had… had. But only for the creator maybe?
By the way I’m commenting this on the mlmym thing you made!
Well I didn’t make that, I found it. Reddit used to have a bunch of these too. Anyway I saw someone ask the admin of the server to incorporate it and make it available if you went to old.Lemmy.world. He said maybe. @ruud please?
Do not worry, I already replaced them!
This is the sort of action I love to see. Reddit thinks they own the moderators who are working for free. They want slaves. Fuck them.
From the very start, ever subreddit should have challenged Reddit and called their bluff. Go ahead, replace the mods for thousands of subreddits. If a few dozen are changed, that’s no problem. Whatever. But thousands? Good luck.
The whole protest seemed so half-hearted from the start. You don’t go on strike with a set end-date in mind. You go on strike indefinitely until demands are met or a satisfactory compromise is made.
I will say that the short blackout was enough to get me onto the Fediverse. I didn’t even use the apps that would be affected by the API shutdown, so I never would have noticed the controversy without the blackout.
But once the blackout was announced, I recognized how far reddit was willing to go in service of harvesting its users’ data. And after that point, I just didn’t feel good on the site anymore. (Granted, I first created an account on Mastodon because the people calling for blackouts never mentioned Lemmy. But still!)
Between Facebook’s notification system repeatedly failing to direct me to comment replies, Twitter DDoSing itself, and reddit turning into the Eye of Sauron (which, again, I would not have even noticed happening were it not for the short protest), it seemed like the perfect time to exit the sinking ship of corporate social media.
Meaning they did something. Maybe they didn’t avert the reddit apocalypse, but they still did something.
There was never a chance for compromise. This was about money; a premature, over blown, knee jerk, pie-in-the-sky hope to cash in on free expert input based on decades of good will interactions performed for free by people who cared about their subject matter.
I deleted every comment I’d ever made and left pretty much immediately. They can eat their own shit.
Oh no, not the heckin replaceable free labor
You know, for replaceable free labor, /r/interestingasfuck has seen none of its free labor replaced for over 3 weeks now.
Oh no, not the heckin replaceable free labor
You’re allowed to cuss on here.
Shit fuck piss tit.
See? Nobody cares.
Cocksucker, motherfucker, bitch. George Carlin would be so happy!
Well fuck my shit, what will the advertisers think?
looks like this user is replaceable
!accidentalrenaissance@lemmy.blahaj.zone for us lemmy folks
…why did they make two comms though when kbin and lemmy work together?
Maybe because, like me, they don’t understand the difference
They should probably join Lemmy.world tbh
For your reference: for all intents and purposes there isn’t one. Lemmy accounts can interact and follow kbin communities and vice versa. You don’t need accounts on both, though you can if you choose.
But are these actually the same communities?
Or do they count as separate ones on separate instances which uses created with that instance specific account?
I think they’re 2 spearate communities? Which does confuse things.
Although the link worked on Connect for the Lemmy one so that’s what I’ll be using anywau
You mean for this specific case? Yes, they’re two separate communities which is why it was disadvantageous to create a community on both kbin and Lemmy—if they made just one, that one community could share subscribers and comments and such from all Lemmy instances (that aren’t defederated) as well as kbin. They didn’t need to make separate accidentalrenaissance communities but they did.
I’m not a fan of the e-mail analogy overall, but here it works. It’s like they created a gmail account and an aol account, thinking only gmail accounts could email each other and only aol accounts could email each other. But really, if they made only a gmail account then both gmail and aol would be able to communicate easily.
Maybe they went ahead and grabbed both, one will eventually become more popular and the popular one will stay running while they just have the other one directing people to the popular one.
do I have to subscribe to two? 🙃
Their heart was at the right place… But they didn’t really understand federation huh. Splitting their communities like that is asking for less engagement and more user confusion. Just create it on Lemmy, interact with it using your Kbin user, and then it will federate and you can still provide the Kbin link if you so desire.
It was intentional. They didn’t 100% like either site so they made a community on both. They are seeing which they prefer after some use and development.
Everyone here is acting like they’re idiots who don’t understand the internet. They were high level mods.
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This right here.
This has been awesome. I’m finding out about communities I’ve never known about but starting with Lemmy to follow. Thanks Reddit for making all of the worst decisions all at once.
I REALLY like it here the most. After a couple weeks, I’m barely missing it over there (I really miss Apollo, not Reddit, thank you to Voyager for providing a similar experience).
Reddit’s and Twitter’s recent move have been the best thing that happened to the Fediverse.
Hope we’re getting close to the critical mass required for more people to start adopting it !
Okay, those are some mods I can respect.
Imagine respecting jannies. THEY DO IT IT FOR FREE LMAO!
I’m so happy to see this community join us here, especially not being a mega-community with the same icon. We know the one on here.
I feel the more niche communities migrations will have a bigger impact. That something like politics or whatnot wouldn’t. Like even Fuckcars is here, because Fuck cars.
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I was told it was more about designing the world around not needing them and having walkable cities and/or more public access and use of busses and other public transportation.
But also I see some people are very …uh… “Cars are evil and should all be destroyed and you should walk everywhere! Stop living in the country go find a city house so you can walk everywhere!”
It’s hard to tell which one is the main point anymore.
It’s not literally about hating cars, but about car centric infrastructure being a problem. Which is “fuck car lobbies and the shit they caused in the search of profits go up”
You’re not being honest. There are people posting content about literally hating cars and the people who drive cars.
I remember them cheering on whoever was stabbing suv tires in the UK a few years ago. They were hoping for it to spread to other countries regardless of the circumstances of the vehicle owner. I don’t know if the community has cleaned up since then.
Car centric infrastructure benefits nobody but car manufacturers and it’s killing communities, climate and us.
Car centric infrastructure benefits those with…cars. And as cars are the primary method of transportation, it make perfect sense to design our cities around this idea.
Transportation is the lifeblood of communities. Without roads and cars they literally cannot exist. If you remove roads you kill the community.
Unless you have a new method of transportation that is better than cars, keep your fantasies in your head. You want to walk go right ahead.
It doesn’t benefit those with cars as much as it forces you to get a car to benefit. Cities that don’t focus as much on car centric infrastructure are more pleasant to drive through.
You’re conflating cars with transportation in general. When I say car infrastructure, I don’t mean close every road off so nobody gets in or out. Nobody does.
Look at cities where they prioritize the pedestrian and public transport. They’re so much better to live in and get around.
Cities that don’t focus as much on car centric infrastructure are more pleasant to drive through.
You know what makes a pleasant drive? Getting where you want to go quickly, and without stops. And we accomplish that by accepting that cars are always going to exist. We must throw out the ridiculous notion that bikes aren’t pedestrians. They are not worth building out completely separate infrastructure which is the only way they are happy. They refuse to cooperate and share pedestrian infrastructure which is the obvious solution. They are selfish and pretend they are saving the world by making cars drive slower and stop more. One biker can cause more incidental pollution than if they just drove there instead and didn’t slow everyone down.
Ugh. I’m still new here on Lemmy, can’t seem to find a way to subscribe. I’m using Memmy. Any thoughts?
I wish I could see more subreddits do this and finally make the switch to lemmy. I want reddit to have just a bunch of teenagers and elderly who have no idea what’s going on using it. it’ll be a big fuck you to spez
Oh nice, they’re on kbin
