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  • Thanks for clearing me up. Ok that’s interesting. And does very much speak to OP

    I can immediately grasp a major support of the position, in that principia mathematica are self - evident/supporting/emerging (ie axioms and theorums), so yeah thats pretty strong reality.

    But…

    Im a way, doesn’t the nature of a “pure mathematics reality” indeed sit apart from “our” reality, like (how) can it exist (in some way) without a world?

    So IS that strong support for a type of dualism?

    Is the old joke “God exists and he is a mathematician” valid in that respect?


  • I will also “bite” with a my attempt at a philosophical answer to OP

    Short answer: No

    Why?

    ?What is a game?

    !Disproved Plato’s Pure Forms!

    (and over 2 millenia of western philosophical thinking based on that crap (essential to most dualism), that even many of P’s students wisely wouldn’t buy, back in the day)

    Is a game… Collaborative or Competative Fun or serious Rules absolute or negotiable Etc etc

    While this is an extreme case, its a problem for some aspects of many/most/all relevant observational schemas

    Clearly there is no “ideal” game definition, and thus can never be an “absolute” agreement as to what is or isn’t ABSOLUTELY a game.

    However, for a given sub-culture (of similar biological and experienced beings) there can indeed be quite extensive agreement, and only a few debates, as to what is a game.

    So, for now, I will take this position to OPs OQ.

    That we will not be finding an objective reality, that any such schema will have problems, but in as much as there is close alignment of observers, there indeed tends to be sufficient agreement regarding many things, that a subjective experience imperfectly becomes a shared reality.


  • While I like OPs OQ allowing existence of objective reality,

    As far as I am aware (please prove me wrong) there is not any “philosophical proof” of such.

    Most philosophy claiming such either takes it, or required axioms, a-priori or uses chains of logic that absolutely require unproven/unprovable claims.

    Often ascociated/required/requiring dualism, which also has serious “proof” issues.

    As with the OPs OQ, I would like it if those claiming an absolute position provide reasoning, because frankly, I think it might be a cultural/biological delusion, ironically resulting from the inescapable nature of mediation by the subject (self).


  • Yes, but

    The “actual” mathematics (in as much as we can verify our models through scientific experimentation)

    are “absolutely subjective” in that (for instance)

    At large scale, relativity effects are so great as to make order and locations of events subordinate to an observers reference frame

    And at small scale, (example again) Uncertainty Principle makes events “fuzzy” ie (somewhat) indeterminate.

    Now in both those cases, yes we have the mathematics “down” so hypothetically we can acount what an individual observer may “see” but

    Practically speaking, a total accounting of this would seemingly require a computer more complex than the universe itself.




  • In WWII, experimental weapons:

    Since cats reach their terminal velocity after just aprox 3 stories fall, and are therefore better than likely to survive a drop from any height…

    Allied Air Command recruited vets for the war effort, had them surgically plant incendiary bombs on timers in stray cats.

    They were then airdropped over German cities, whence they would hide in flammable refuse, as cats are wont to do.

    When the synchronized fuses later went off, multiple starting points created a massive firestorm, killing 10s of thousands.

    Meow





  • Living in one of the recent cities listed

    Those games were NOT PROFITABLE. The IOC, etc, SAYS they were by:

    Completely discounting Policing/Security Not including any venue construction costs And a whole bunch more sleeze (not) accounting (multi Billion$, for a winter, seen 10x higher for some summer bills)

    Their idiotic “profitable” rhetoric is spuriously true, if you do some bullshit accounting, whereby the ticket revenues exceed the labour bill, on-site (and never mind they conned legions of “workers” into scabbing for “room+board volunteers” which was actually a cot and hotdogs in moldy leaking freight containers)

    Multi billion $ hole, that we the people pay debt servicing on eternally, and our city became a haven for international money laundering after, one of the most unaffordable places in the world now…