Introducing: Raspberry Pi 5! - Raspberry Pi
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Announcing Raspberry Pi 5, coming in late October: over 2x faster than Raspberry Pi 4, featuring silicon designed in-house at Raspberry Pi.
  • circuscritic@lemmy.ca
    5·
    1 year ago

    The Pi foundation screwed over its original customer base by diverting practically ALL available inventory to business customers. Good riddance.

      • circuscritic@lemmy.ca
        1·
        1 year ago

        There are good business use cases for Pi's, you can search online to learn more if you want.

        That's not the issue. The Raspberry Pi Foundation stopped supplying retail resellers and shipped 99% of ALL of their inventory to business customers for the past several years. Which is why you can't find consistent stock, and why scalpers are mysteriously the only ones able to have reliable inventory.

        It's not a secret, you can look up any number of news stories covering it. Originally they could blame the chip shortage, but long after that's over, they're still diverting almost everything they manufacture to business channels, and screwing over the hobbyists who built their brand.

        Screw them. I'm not supporting them with my money ever again, and I have double digit amounts going back to the RPi2.

    • StarkillerX42@lemmy.ml
      3·
      1 year ago

      To be fair, the pi's have always been famous for low quality sound cards, so there's plenty of hats that can add the functionality.

    • tal@kbin.social
      3·
      1 year ago

      I mean, if you have USB, for a non-mobile platform, it doesn't really matter. It's not hard to get a USB audio interface.

      For cell phones or laptops, I can understand not wanting another thing to plug in, but for something like a Raspberry Pi…shrugs

    • amio@kbin.social
      3·
      1 year ago

      I generally hate the "just get dongles lol" argument but… maybe it's not a huge loss in this one specific case. I've had four models over 3 generations (B, 2-something and 3) and the audio jack always kinda… sucked.

  • ohto@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
    3·
    1 year ago

    I want to be excited about this, but I just don’t believe I’ll actually be able to get one for retail price. For much of the RP4 lifecycle they prioritized corporate sales, and regular consumers were out of luck. I don’t have a lot of faith in them right now.

    • tal@kbin.social
      4·
      1 year ago

      we’re going to ringfence all of the Raspberry Pi 5s we sell until at least the end of the year for single-unit sales to individuals, so you get the first bite of the cherry.

      • EmilieEvans@lemmy.ml
        1·
        1 year ago

        To keep alive the community that maintains the packages that businesses use? /s

        There are a few things you won't forget and the last years were one of those events. Thankfully the competition made leaps forward regarding software support.

        Do you remember FTDI-gate 1 & 2 (approx. 1 decade ago)? I do and FTDI never made it back onto my BOM and probably never will again, at least until SiliconLabs, WCH, and Holtek screw it up.

    • Tak@lemmy.ml
      0·
      1 year ago

      It's gotten to the point with Windows 11 killing so many thin clients for businesses with TPM that you can typically find used ones for nearly as much as a Pi. Unless you need the size and efficiency I just struggle to find reason to buy another Pi if I need to selfhost something.

      Pis are really cool but they really have become more corporate focused and it shows.

  • SBJ@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    1·
    1 year ago

    At those prices you're really better off getting a lower end NUC format computer which can be found for under $100 USD. Raspberry Pi was cool and innovative when it was new but those days are long gone.

    I've bought a couple of cheap Beelink machines and I've been really happy with them so far.

  • MystikIncarnate@lemmy.caEnglish
    21·
    1 year ago

    There's a lot of people in this discussion taking about how raspberry Pi and the pi foundation isn't worth your money, whether on principle, or just dollars per unit of compute.

    I get it, but I have a question. Is there a competing SBC that has official PoE support? I know there's half baked ways to sort that out separate from the device, but I have a few edge cases where the last viable option was the pi 3B+. The official pi 4 case is horrendous for airflow, and third party cases usually either assume you want no protection (and all the airflow) or you want to handle thermals by contact pads passively (making it difficult or impossible to use the PoE hat), or are just as bad as the stock case for airflow, but they have enough room inside to add a hat, in which case, why go third party when the official case is equally terrible?

    The pi 3 had a PoE hat, and a case you could take the top off and get decent airflow. Too bad the fans in the first gen PoE hat are unicorns in terms of power draw, with no way to adjust the power curve for the fan connector to suit a different fan, and since they're unicorns, you can't find them for purchase, and if you find something remarkably similar, they're still slightly different enough that they don't work (I've tried). So the fans burn out and IDK, good fucking luck I guess. Buy a new PoE hat?

    Then there was the gen 2 PoE+ hat which released alongside the pi 4, which supposedly works with the 3 as well, which I haven't tried yet, but I'm planning to.

    In every case, I have done network monitoring and service nodes that aren't exactly local to a power receptacle and they need PoE. The pi 4 eliminated itself because of the garbage case design of the official case and the lack of thought by those doing the third party cases… so I'm looking at the 5 like, finally, they got it right.

    Now everyone is talking shit about the pi foundation, which I can completely understand, but for the application I need these for (and my pi 3's have been in service for like ~5 years and probably need to be refreshed), what other option do I have? What's decent with a good case and PoE input? PoE or PoE+ doesn't matter, I just need to be able to package it up into a relatively small footprint for the application.

    Anyone have any suggestions? I'm all ears. I've googled till I'm blue in the face and I can't even find an SBC that has an option for PoE, I never got to looking into whether it has a decent case or if it will run my software…

  • Polar@lemmy.ca
    0·
    1 year ago

    Realistically probably not getting one for less than $160CAD.

    At that point, might as well just buy a used Dell optiplex or something. These boards are absurdly priced, and you'll never get it for MSRP.

    Even with the added power consumption of the Dell you'll pull out ahead lol

  • Imnebuddy@lemmy.mlEnglish
    0·
    1 year ago

    Finally, a pi good for 4K video! (Apparently Raspberry Pi 4 could as well, but I am assuming this is an improvement. I still have a couple of Raspberry Pi 3's.)

  • kn100@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    0·
    1 year ago

    While there are now X86 SBC / Mini Computers that aren't far off the Pi in price, the real benefits of the Pi aren't just the fact that it offers a certain amount of compute for a certain price.

    • It's still lower power than most x86 SBCs overall, which matters with portable/remote applications

    • Its schematics are usually available

    • They're easy to get and have a usually guaranteed availability, so when one dies you should be able to get another

    • its got a decent ecosystem around it of hardware and software, which basically nobody else can claim

    • it's a fairly standard form factor, so fits into existing stuff well.

    • It's likely we will see a compute module for the Pi 5 as well at a guess, which means you can treat the vanilla Pi 5 as a dev board for whatever product you're developing, and then use a potential CM5 as the core of your product once it's ready to go!

    If all you need is a home server or a Linux box, then sure get an X86 SBC, but the Pi isn't irrelevant, not by a long shot! Congratulations on releasing yet another sweet spot product, I'll be picking one up as soon as I think of a use for one!

        • kn100@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          0·
          1 year ago

          Lol I assure you I'm no bot. I just think that people forget that the Pi fills a niche that I know many self hosty types like myself no longer need it to fill, and the Pi 5 imo is another slam dunk in terms of nailing filling that particular niche. Other ARM SBCs tend to always have trouble with GPU hardware acceleration due to the weird MediaTek or rockchip SoCs they have or end up pinned to some ancient kernel version missing sources.

          I too moved away from Pis to an X86 setup (https://kn100.me/erying-11800h/) something I talk about in great detail in that blog post, but appreciate the Pi exists and continues to evolve in the way it is. Not everything is about mac compute per dollar for everybody!