“Typed language? Yeah, I’m using a keyboard.”
I am currently teaching python and JavaScript devs Typescript. Everytime they hit a problem they switch to any
Sigh
Must be the same people who just comment out failing unit tests.
“Your crappy tests are failing again on my branch. I’ve commented them out until you fix them.”
Sadly that sort of thing got so common where I work that I’ll run the tests three times before considering looking into the error message to see if it is something I broke.
From time to time we take some days just to fix tests with inconsistent results, but there’s always more popping up.
Yeah, we have a team whose job is to make sure all our tests run well and fixing them if they don’t
Serious answer: You can’t write tests for untestable code. Your code needs to be pure if you want reliable tests: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pure_function
For integration tests, they should handle retries themselves
Just create a al Inter rule that rejects Any types and a pre-commit hook that refuses the commit if the linter fails. Sometimes the brute force approach is the best way to teach
That’s why I kinda don’t like Python and JavaScript anymore. Every time I want types for a library it’s gonna take me time to get it working. For every serious project I do, I use a strongly typed language.
the beatings will continue until typing improves
Does it compile???
… Compile???
Well, you can always just add the type definitions later on.
I did port some C code to D, by just pasting it in a D file, then fixing the differences (changing type names, rewriting precompiler macros with D metaprogramming and inline functions, etc.).
I mean that is the first step. ¯_(ツ)_/¯ The next step is to start defining the types more strictly than any.
Yeah, at some point my new team switched off null safety, because some consultants told them to.
Ride into the Danger Zone …
Indeed, and just as my old team fell for consultants, my new team also went ahead and let them add some overcomplex garbage into their codebases. And crap still keeps piling up. It’s just like it’s impossible for them to understand that from an average consultants perspective the only way to go forward is to keep adding complexity, wether they are aware of it or not.
Oh, the consultants know, but they get paid, don’t complain about “risks” and “code debt”, and management only sees their delivery on time without increasing operation costs
I am happy there is no obvious “any” type in Rust.
I’m in this post and I don’t like it.
That being said I try to have specific types in my typescript but coming from working without typescript, there’s so much more words involved using typescript and for what I use it for I don’t really see the use case. Sure it helps you realize what part of the script needs what data types but it adds so much more complexity in the code that I’m not really sure it’s worth in the first place.
Typescript saves ridiculous amounts of time in bugfixes and is IMO a lot more readable than JS.
I don’t know how many times TS has complained about some type mismatch in my code that made me scratch my head for 2 seconds to only then realize I was doing something stupid. With plain JS that would’ve been no issue, until I have some obscure bug 30 minutes later and have to figure out it’s source.
Also, whatever piece of code you are working on, to do anything you have to have the types of your variables/functions in mind. If you have to keep track of all of them in your head, you will definitely mess it up at some point or have to look through a bunch of different methods/files to track down the source of some piece of data to be certain what’s contained in it.
So yeah, TS might take slightly longer to type out, but it saves you a lot of dev time.
I mean I guess that could be helpful, I’ve never really had that issue so I have yet to see the benefit of it. I just find it useless work that you’re typing out for something that the engine itself isn’t going to be able to see anyway, which means you’re going to have to have unit tests coded in regardless. And I wouldn’t say just a little more coding, typescript when implemented into my project doubled the amount of code provided, I’m trying to use it because I do understand it’s a standard, but I really don’t understand why it’s a universal standard, considering that everything it does is completely syntax sugar/coder side and it doesn’t actually interact with the underlying engine. I feel the same way about coffee script honestly.
Just wait until you have to work as part of a team on a big project. The lack of types will murder the team’s productivity
